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explore the bazaar or e-ticket ride into

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the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself here as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well

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as other dimensions it's time to take

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back the night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and team sports all right welcome

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to another exciting edition of Explorer

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in the bizarre I'm Tim Schwartz

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unfortunately Timothy green Beckley will

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not be with us tonight he's feeling a

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little bit under the weather so Tim if

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you're listening we hope that you feel

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well soon but you know we have got just

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a fantastic show tonight and and I'm

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really excited that I could get these

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two gentlemen lined up for tonight's

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show and it's it's unfortunate because I

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know that Tim Beckley enjoys these types

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of programs but we're just going to get

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going to be talking about lost

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Edgar Cayce and anything else that comes

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and I know that our two guests are like

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me we're we're interested in all kinds

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of different things along this genre so

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I'll just get right to it and introduce

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them first off we have a Jim Vieira now

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Jim is an author explore historical

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detective and host of The History

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and Roanoke searched for the Lost Colony

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and returned to ruin our search for the

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he hosted Oh shows with his brother by

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the way and and Jim has appeared on

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expedition unknown with Josh gates and

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legends of the

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in fact now Jim has investigated

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secret societies to form an alternative

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civilization a theory almost in perfect

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alignment with the readings of the famed

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sleeping prophet Edgar Cayce his book

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Giants on record America's hidden

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Smithsonian files was released in 2015

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now also making a return visit and happy

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that dr. little could be with us dr.

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Greg littles now dr. little has master's

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counseling and educational psychology

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authority of Illustrated encyclopedia of

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the America so gentlemen thank you very

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show on Valentine's Day Jim should be

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wanted it I want to know why Jim Vieira

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relationship so keep going to therapy I

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guess well and Jim just so you know I

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sister named Lucy so awesome let's let's

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start with you Jim why don't you tell

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our audience a little bit about yourself

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unusual archaeology which then led to

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anatomic anomaly or I mean you know in

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amateur anatomic measurement so it

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just got blamed you know I appreciate

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more about it and have had interactions

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definition of a cult and you look up all

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of the things that define a cult all

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little qualifications and and activities

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a cult if you're on the outside they

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to destroy you anybody within their cult

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who says you know something we believe

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in might be wrong they get destroyed and

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based on the smallest bit or possibly

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posse city of evidence and I'm I'm just

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convinced that archeology functions as a

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methods but that doesn't make them a

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science I they functioned in a way where

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it looks like they're not looking for

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the truth what their function is is to

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maintain their belief system that is

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what it looks like and they'll go to any

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lengths to maintain that belief system

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they will destroy people like you in

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part you've asked me before about shows

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appearances but they always twisted what

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what I really said and I've just

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concluded the whole thing is I I'm

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disgusted with I'm absolutely disgusted

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with our geology can I just address that

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for a sec Tim sure go for that that's

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exactly what I've been thinking I felt

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word but it isn't and it's not like to

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denigrate anybody's way of thinking or

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have positive stories and try to be kind

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like you all right you know we're right

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you're wrong it's just the function or

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the the assemblage of science and how it

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works now is absolutely like a cult

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there's no question about it

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it's cultish thinking and I know a lot

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of professionals I work with

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professionals I've done digs with

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professionals I am friends with them the

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thing they are more afraid of than like

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giants in Atlantis is like you know

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spiritual self reflection and ayahuasca

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ceremonies you know that they just not

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like you I just all the greatest

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spiritual masters and throughout history

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they're all given the same message you

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can see it in the like the premise is

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right is like like lightning hit ammonia

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and life was created you know instead of

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you can see it every way it doesn't you

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don't have to be Christian a Mormon it's

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just like there is

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a holographic reality to the universe

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there's no question about it

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and you feel it viscerally and I sit

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with like wisdom keepers and shamans I

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do long ceremonies I do a lot of you

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know soul-searching and one thing I

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could tell you absolutely there is

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there's a universal creator if you will

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that we are part of we are not

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individual bodies the soul is immortal

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just like Plato and everybody else said

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and to go back to the you know the cow

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points there was a neurosurgeon a couple

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of years ago I believe from Harvard who

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had a near-death experience he came back

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he was like sharing this and he

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identified the same traits that he

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experienced with these other people who

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went to the other side temporarily

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and he was like mocked and derided it's

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not like well you know what's this this

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guy's a known professional with a lot of

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credibility let's hear what he has to

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say these are interesting topics that

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should be discussed you know with your

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children and your wives and your friends

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like hey what's the nature of the soul

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like all the the religions and spirits

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our teachers are talking about something

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else and we are a whacked-out

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materialistic cult that's destroying our

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planet you know when we live should we

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not reflect on these things and I

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completely agree there's no acceptance

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of that there's just mockery it's like

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what's this eighth grade I heard I

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listened to something the other night

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and it was on a radio show I was on it

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was like the 15 minutes before I got on

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and they had a physicist actually an

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astronomer who was also a physicist who

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was discussing astrology now I can't I'm

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not going to say I believe in astrology

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I'm not going to say I disbelieve that

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is irrelevant the point was the man said

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that it was dangerous and the person

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interviewing him said why is it

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dangerous he said well somebody might

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decide instead of getting medical

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treatment that they would follow their

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horoscope and he said so it could be

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really dangerous and we need to stomp

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this out we have to get rid of astrology

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because it's misleading people and it's

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it's dangerous they I've heard the same

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thing said about virtually every

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religion depending where you go you'll

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hear it about every

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religion and all the spiritual belief

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systems that exist and what I say and

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what I've written many times whatever

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gives people solace whatever makes

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people better people I think is good and

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I basically I don't care if astrology's

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real or not a lot of people are amused

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by it some people like it some people

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are very interested in it and that's

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fine so what just like why do that why

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do archaeologists have to deny even the

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7-foot skeletons that the Smithsonian

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pulled out and wrote about themselves

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why do they deny that they they deny

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that there are skeptics I know Jim knows

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who some of them are that say virtually

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every large skeleton even those

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recovered from mounds that were burials

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of humans if there was a large skeleton

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in there it must have been a mastodon

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bone and it's it's simply absurd it's

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it's it's absurd and to some extent all

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that is why I don't see much reason to

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try to engage with those professionals

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there are a few that I am friends with

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they seldom want me to mention their

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names in fact there is it there is a

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mainstream archaeologists who is quite

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well-known who believes in Atlantis who

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believes that the Bahamas actually

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probably has the remnants of Atlantis in

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it and he has said that you can never

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ever attach my name to any of that

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because I'll never get a grant again

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I'll never be able to publish research

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again and he's a mainstream person it's

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- it's just disgusting

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it truly is well what a shame though

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that that somebody has to fear well

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they're their potential future funding

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and and not be able to look into things

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that are of interest to him and could

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have you know a excellent potential yeah

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it's part of its it kind of to have the

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foil makes it an interesting game though

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I think

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when you look at it's funny like

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skeptics will use it in Reverse like

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look at all the pseudoscience that's

402
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poisoning everybody's mind but I think

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the the percentage of the population who

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believe in Atlantis is like 54% now like

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higher than ever before I just read some

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poll and belief in extraterrestrials is

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you know much larger than I've ever been

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and it's people are tapping into Jung's

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collective unconsciousness these things

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ring true they're just like I don't you

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know the general themes I believe you

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know that Greg and I will speak about

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that like Casey spoke about and Steiner

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and secret societies I think they're

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generally true we may not get every date

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right and every facts correct but I

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think these general themes are true and

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frankly you know I'll give like Andrew

419
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Collins Graham Hancock Robert Schoch

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Greg my buddy Hugh Newman Brian Forrest

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Oh a lot of alternative researchers have

422
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been pointing to these realities of like

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the Younger Dryas impact events like

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this cataclysmic event that happened

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13,000 years ago you know the writings

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of Plato and I know Hancock and Jacques

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have been kind of shy about mentioning

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Atlantis for a long time

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rather pointing to this advanced

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civilization knowing the backlash and

431
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mockery they would get but all these

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researchers have been pointing and now

433
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they're just being verified with with

434
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the Younger Dryas impact event the

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destruction of the Clovis Barry the idea

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that humans only entered the the

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Americas in 13,000 years ago you know on

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and on and on the finds of new Denis

439
00:20:01,120 --> 00:19:58,250
Evans and hobbits and Indonesia you know

440
00:20:04,510 --> 00:20:01,130
that these ideas that once heretical

441
00:20:06,730 --> 00:20:04,520
have been turned over and proven by

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science and but there's no apology

443
00:20:10,570 --> 00:20:08,419
letter it's just like what's the next

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entrenched thing we can fight everybody

445
00:20:15,399 --> 00:20:13,400
on you know and you know I think along

446
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with what Greg was saying that the the

447
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idea of giants is the same as that it's

448
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just like the Clovis Perry's is a very

449
00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:23,240
good analogy because the scientists like

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like Maurice Collins from Texas and Jim

451
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out of Azio from Meadowcroft shelter

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they were on a PBS special with Dennis

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Stanford a couple years ago about human

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origins and they said they came up with

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pre-clovis States and they

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ridiculed by other professionals they

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were accused of planting evidence of

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using contaminated samples and they were

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just discussed it on camera on this PBS

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special and it was like whoa you know

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and just like the Younger Dryas impact

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event or this idea of giants they the

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the professionals have dug the hills in

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for a hundred years and mocked and

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denigrated the idea of it existing

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although oral traditions and early

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explorers support the idea - along with

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all the records so you know as far as

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I'm concerned it's worthy and further

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investigation but if you have me hooked

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up to a lie detector test man giant

472
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surreal Atlantis existed I'm telling you

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and I don't give a rat's ass and if it

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lets let me play we've only got a minute

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till the break I know but I can play a

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strange devil's advocate here let's

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pretend that lantus didn't exist so what

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what is the harm in people being

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interested in history and being

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interested in the past and digging into

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it what's the harm in believing it there

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isn't any it's it makes life interesting

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it doesn't make you evil or bad if it's

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not real now personally I think there

485
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was something call it Atlantis for lack

486
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of a better term but even if it didn't

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exist

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why tried to destroy people who are out

489
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doing what they should be doing looking

490
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for evidence why do they do that because

491
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well and considering also of you know

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people who have gone out looking for

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Atlantis have found other things that

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have turned out to you know be very

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significant historically many of the

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most important discoveries in

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archaeology are made by other people

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that aren't archaeologists and then the

499
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discoveries are usually appropriated by

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archaeology and they don't give any

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credit to the people that actually found

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it all right well we're off to a good

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start on exploring the bizarre so

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unfortunately we have to go to our

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bottom of the hour break but when we

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come back we will continue this

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absolutely excellent conversation so

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state

509
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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee panting Swift's welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar our guest tonight

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jim farah and dr. craig little and so

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Jim I was gonna wait a little bit later

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into the program but since you brought

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this up in our first segment I'm gonna

518
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have to ask you to talk a little bit

519
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about about your TED talk first of all I

520
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want to know how they allowed you to

521
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even give it in the first place before

522
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you know the [\h__\h] hit the fan so yeah I

523
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just actually there was a woman in

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Shelburne Falls where I live and asked

525
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me I had done some talks about Stone

526
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mysteries in New England at Greenfield

527
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Community College and it was funny right

528
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on the heels of that I talked about you

529
00:24:10,580 --> 00:24:08,130
know it's some controversial ideas and

530
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:10,590
they had Ken Federer Burress skeptics

531
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show up because rich little the

532
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geologist at Greenfield Community

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College he was I could see how like he's

534
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,360
a nice guy but how rattled he was by

535
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:20,880
what I was saying like he's like he's

536
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:22,410
telling these people all these all these

537
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,930
whacked-out lies you know we gotta set

538
00:24:28,580 --> 00:24:26,400
the record straight so they had Federer

539
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come in a couple months later but

540
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anyways this woman Stacy invited me

541
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because she knew people in the area

542
00:24:41,410 --> 00:24:36,410
liked my talks and my stone mysteries

543
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:41,420
investigations yes so I gave it and I

544
00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:44,940
basically also I talked about you know

545
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:48,750
I'm the stonemason I explore the woods

546
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:50,490
kind of identifying these Native

547
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:53,460
American stone mysteries and by virtue

548
00:24:58,730 --> 00:24:55,730
of that I started to find the oddest

549
00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:58,740
accounts of giant skeletons noted you

550
00:25:02,930 --> 00:25:00,780
know by sober academics and historians

551
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:02,940
and you know all around the country

552
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:05,130
an era of inefficient communication even

553
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:07,050
the Smithsonian's methodology reports

554
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:12,000
even you know you know reports from the

555
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:14,010
Carnegie on and on and on and I just

556
00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:15,810
laid out this matter-of-fact case that

557
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:17,940
there was these anatomic anomalies like

558
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,650
double rows of teeth or jaw bones over

559
00:25:24,170 --> 00:25:22,320
the face that were buried obscurely in

560
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:24,180
these voluminous texts they weren't like

561
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:26,820
front page newspaper stuff and I said I

562
00:25:31,550 --> 00:25:28,770
just find it fascinating I didn't draw

563
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:31,560
any conclusions I didn't say the Cyclops

564
00:25:36,530 --> 00:25:33,330
is gonna eat you you know your animals

565
00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:36,540
ass up and it's just like it's just a

566
00:25:41,270 --> 00:25:38,910
really fascinating thing and I shared it

567
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:41,280
and at the end I was kind of I got a

568
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:43,410
little pissed because I had just read

569
00:25:47,060 --> 00:25:45,240
The New Yorker article by Jane Mayer

570
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:47,070
about the Koch brothers given money to

571
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:49,530
the Smithsonian and offish getting the

572
00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:51,330
the truth about climate change so I went

573
00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:53,100
on the sole of rants about the

574
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:54,660
Smithsonian taken money from the Koch

575
00:26:01,070 --> 00:25:58,170
brothers and them installing kind of in

576
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:01,080
you know these self-serving permanent

577
00:26:08,030 --> 00:26:03,570
installations at the human Hall of

578
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,040
origins in DC but anyways and then it

579
00:26:11,900 --> 00:26:09,600
went nuts it was the number one watch

580
00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:11,910
TEDx talk in the world and then they

581
00:26:18,140 --> 00:26:13,860
took it down and there was an

582
00:26:20,210 --> 00:26:18,150
archaeologist who debunked gave all

583
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:20,220
these fake points debunking my talk

584
00:26:24,530 --> 00:26:22,890
calling it pseudo scientific and it was

585
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:24,540
just like you can't carbon date stone

586
00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:26,850
which of course I know I was talking

587
00:26:32,150 --> 00:26:29,400
about a carbon dated evidence from a

588
00:26:33,820 --> 00:26:32,160
stone chamber that was tested at geo

589
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:33,830
Khurana labs you know there's like some

590
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:37,110
some charcoal was tested like maybe I

591
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,400
had the wording wrong or something like

592
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:40,320
that then there was like there was just

593
00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:41,850
all these like half-truths and

594
00:26:46,210 --> 00:26:43,710
half-assed like taking a run at me and

595
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:46,220
trying to denigrate me and oh you know

596
00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:48,330
basically not addressing the evidence

597
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:50,280
and on I'm like this is so odd this is

598
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:51,840
I'm just like sharing this

599
00:26:55,670 --> 00:26:53,220
matter-of-fact information I'm not

600
00:26:58,340 --> 00:26:55,680
drawing any conclusion and I'm getting

601
00:27:00,380 --> 00:26:58,350
like ripped apart here and you know like

602
00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:00,390
I I was really naive too I'm kind of

603
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:02,070
like an upbeat guy you know it's like

604
00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:05,130
volunteer to coach and help people and

605
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:08,550
you know do nice things and and I went

606
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:11,250
out there in the world of you know

607
00:27:15,530 --> 00:27:12,810
social media or whatever and I just took

608
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:15,540
a lot of heat and I understand I look

609
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,860
and I sound like a guy

610
00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:18,600
I bet with maybe but I've done my

611
00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:23,070
homework and I've spent years I spent 15

612
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:24,900
years I can't tell you how many academic

613
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:27,690
papers and archeological texts and

614
00:27:32,270 --> 00:27:29,490
professionals I've interviewed and I've

615
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:32,280
done my homework and I understand both

616
00:27:36,410 --> 00:27:34,650
sides of the the street as far as

617
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,420
ancient mysteries concerned because I

618
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:38,880
don't want to be misinformed and I've

619
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:40,260
changed my opinions and everything like

620
00:27:44,330 --> 00:27:40,679
that

621
00:27:47,090 --> 00:27:44,340
so the logic you know to your point it

622
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:47,100
was more like this is pseudo scientific

623
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:50,880
you know this is crazy let's remove this

624
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:53,640
video so my video was taken down and it

625
00:27:59,799 --> 00:27:55,500
gave me some street cred and that's I

626
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:02,299
well and it's and you know you haven't

627
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:04,710
been the only one who has you know given

628
00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:06,690
TED talks that have found themselves

629
00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:09,960
then on the brunt of censorship

630
00:28:17,810 --> 00:28:15,150
basically GM Hancock example and Graham

631
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:17,820
I know grandpa's life Madame Brillon

632
00:28:23,180 --> 00:28:20,610
brilliant guy and prophetic once again

633
00:28:24,919 --> 00:28:23,190
like a lot of other guys who were dialed

634
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:24,929
into the collective unconscious who are

635
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:28,049
alternative researchers like Hancock he

636
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:29,970
does I wash the ceremonies he's into

637
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:32,010
spiritual pursuits he's into self

638
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,620
inquiry self reflection and he has been

639
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:36,240
very prophetic about a lot of these

640
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,370
things you know back from fingerprints

641
00:28:42,530 --> 00:28:40,440
of the gods and now it's all unwinding

642
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:42,540
and being proven like they even found a

643
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:44,730
second impact crater in Greenland and I

644
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:46,770
bet because it still exists it's not too

645
00:28:50,659 --> 00:28:48,570
old I bet you this is part of the

646
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:50,669
Cataclysm that Plato incase he talked

647
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,650
about from about twelve thousand eight

648
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:54,480
hundred years ago the final sinking of

649
00:28:58,700 --> 00:28:57,090
Atlantis which Cayce and Plato said were

650
00:29:00,860 --> 00:28:58,710
situated in the Atlantic all the way to

651
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:00,870
the Bahamas a series of island chains

652
00:29:06,610 --> 00:29:03,419
that were broken up you know not to get

653
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:06,620
tangential but you know that there is a

654
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:10,049
there is an obvious truth if you look at

655
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:11,850
these things with an objective mind that

656
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,690
many people are seeing the and I will

657
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,200
say that archaeology is treated as an

658
00:29:23,299 --> 00:29:21,360
incontrovertible truth like the science

659
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:23,309
that makes us cellphone work it isn't

660
00:29:27,530 --> 00:29:25,050
it's just a series of educated guesses

661
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:27,540
and it was cooked up in the late 1800s

662
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:29,640
archeology anthropology and geology for

663
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:30,330
the most part

664
00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:32,520
by a bunch of like racists you know

665
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:36,540
lunatics who just just denigrated Native

666
00:29:40,550 --> 00:29:38,730
American beliefs that we throughout

667
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:40,560
10,000 years of evidence in oral

668
00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:42,600
traditions and especially in our country

669
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:45,030
so we basically burn the Library of

670
00:29:49,670 --> 00:29:47,760
Alexandria by denigrating oral tradition

671
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:49,680
in our own country and we're going in

672
00:29:53,930 --> 00:29:51,690
blind with all these weird manifest

673
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:53,940
destiny ideas you know not to going to

674
00:29:58,910 --> 00:29:56,460
rant or get on a soapbox but it's really

675
00:30:01,250 --> 00:29:58,920
true like the the destruction and the

676
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:01,260
dismissal of native wisdom and those

677
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:05,010
people so many tribal people were dialed

678
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:07,530
in to the metaphysical they understood

679
00:30:11,150 --> 00:30:08,970
what the hell was going on in time and

680
00:30:12,650 --> 00:30:11,160
space and the larger you know can

681
00:30:15,290 --> 00:30:12,660
collective unconscious and

682
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:15,300
interconnected beingness of all and our

683
00:30:19,910 --> 00:30:17,250
culture it's like running off the rails

684
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,920
there's like six people own half the

685
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:21,600
world's wealth and would destroy our

686
00:30:26,390 --> 00:30:24,210
planet and where our science is allowing

687
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,400
us to be a materialistic cults because

688
00:30:31,550 --> 00:30:28,320
they laugh at and they mark the

689
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:31,560
spiritual well now okay now you brought

690
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:33,930
you brought up a good point though and

691
00:30:38,660 --> 00:30:36,330
and this is something that both of you

692
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:38,670
you know can can answer you know with

693
00:30:43,460 --> 00:30:41,100
your own perspective on this but you

694
00:30:45,050 --> 00:30:43,470
know you you mentioned that you know

695
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:45,060
some of the you know the early

696
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:47,340
historians and archaeologists you know

697
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:51,720
how to racist bent but now you've got a

698
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:53,970
lot of these you know skeptics and

699
00:30:59,840 --> 00:30:57,330
debunkers about the whole you know say

700
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:59,850
like the giant bones and giant mythology

701
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:01,860
saying that oh well you know you're

702
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:05,730
being racist by suggesting this stuff by

703
00:31:10,370 --> 00:31:07,830
saying that you know that you know the

704
00:31:12,050 --> 00:31:10,380
Native Americans either weren't the

705
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:12,060
first here the Giants were you know

706
00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:13,890
we're here or you know it's just like

707
00:31:18,110 --> 00:31:15,750
you know they're trying to do a little

708
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:18,120
bit of role reversal on some of these

709
00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:20,580
alternative theories that you know

710
00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:22,740
you're suggesting that Scott I'll let

711
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:24,390
Gregg address that because I just ran my

712
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:25,890
mouth for a while but then I'd like to

713
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,090
jump in and give my two cents I liked

714
00:31:36,290 --> 00:31:33,120
what you said I will I'll say this about

715
00:31:38,060 --> 00:31:36,300
it I wrote a bit in that book path of

716
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:38,070
souls and I've written I've really

717
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:41,730
addressed that very issue in this new

718
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:43,480
book that comes out in September

719
00:31:48,780 --> 00:31:46,330
like a long way away but it comes out in

720
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:48,790
September is called Denise 'van origins

721
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:50,730
that's the new title of it anyway

722
00:31:57,890 --> 00:31:55,630
however what the skeptics are claiming

723
00:32:01,320 --> 00:31:57,900
you have to look at what they're saying

724
00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:01,330
I've said for years that Native American

725
00:32:08,370 --> 00:32:05,560
Native Americans are genetically very

726
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:08,380
diverse and it's a very rich culture

727
00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:12,130
it's always been a melting pot they had

728
00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:16,500
a number of different genetic lineages

729
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:19,780
they were they had some people just like

730
00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:22,750
all societies do who were the elite

731
00:32:27,540 --> 00:32:25,480
members of their society all societies

732
00:32:29,370 --> 00:32:27,550
have elite members and elite members

733
00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:29,380
generally have certain commonalities

734
00:32:34,860 --> 00:32:33,400
among them however the skeptics say that

735
00:32:37,650 --> 00:32:34,870
oh if you talk about all that it's

736
00:32:40,050 --> 00:32:37,660
racist no all the Native Americans were

737
00:32:42,390 --> 00:32:40,060
all the same size if you read what the

738
00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:42,400
skeptics write they'll tell you over and

739
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:45,070
over almost all of them were 5 foot 6 to

740
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:47,610
5 foot 8 they were all relatively short

741
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:51,610
they they were all they all came over

742
00:32:55,950 --> 00:32:53,410
from the same place at the same time

743
00:32:59,610 --> 00:32:55,960
that was the 70 year belief of the

744
00:33:02,010 --> 00:32:59,620
Clovis the Clovis first theory so

745
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:02,020
they're actually putting them down

746
00:33:08,130 --> 00:33:05,200
saying they were a small short people

747
00:33:11,910 --> 00:33:08,140
all of whom came from the same place at

748
00:33:14,100 --> 00:33:11,920
the same time nothing special here don't

749
00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:14,110
look for anything different don't look

750
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:16,660
for a mixture from say maybe Australia

751
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:20,770
or Melanesia or Micronesia don't look

752
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,930
for a mixture from maybe the all time

753
00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:24,880
mountains don't look for something like

754
00:33:30,650 --> 00:33:27,580
maybe the Denis Evans because that's

755
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:30,660
racist no they were all exactly the same

756
00:33:37,290 --> 00:33:34,210
nothing special about them they only

757
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:37,300
made mounds and they were all the same

758
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:39,610
size that is basically what they say

759
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,310
that if you actually do an evaluation of

760
00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:44,320
skeptics and I have yet to publish this

761
00:33:50,010 --> 00:33:47,320
I have done all the research there's

762
00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:50,020
actually lists of skeptics there's on

763
00:33:54,390 --> 00:33:51,940
Wikipedia you can get all the main

764
00:33:57,550 --> 00:33:54,400
skeptics they show their race they show

765
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,560
their background their sex

766
00:34:01,840 --> 00:33:59,840
and in most cases they show their sexual

767
00:34:02,980 --> 00:34:01,850
orientation because most of them are

768
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:02,990
very open about it

769
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:06,530
so almost all skeptics it's in the high

770
00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:11,090
90% or white male older white males now

771
00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:14,030
why would older white males take that

772
00:34:18,820 --> 00:34:16,820
position that would be my question they

773
00:34:21,460 --> 00:34:18,830
all hang together and anybody that's

774
00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:21,470
saying your story about Native Americans

775
00:34:27,310 --> 00:34:24,200
is wrong I have written and said for

776
00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:27,320
decades that the Native American culture

777
00:34:34,750 --> 00:34:31,310
was far deeper and richer than what

778
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:34,760
anybody would ever admit to not just

779
00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:36,770
that their heritage their genetic

780
00:34:42,010 --> 00:34:39,830
heritage is far deeper and richer than

781
00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:42,020
anyone would admit to in fact most

782
00:34:46,899 --> 00:34:44,230
Native Americans would agree with that

783
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:46,909
anybody that came to the Americas before

784
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,000
the first White's came in or the first

785
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:51,919
European explorers would call them

786
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:54,520
explorers but they really weren't

787
00:34:59,380 --> 00:34:56,750
anybody that was here was Native

788
00:35:01,330 --> 00:34:59,390
American that's why I'll say all the

789
00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:01,340
time the net all the mounds were built

790
00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:04,430
by the ancestors of the Native Americans

791
00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:06,620
that were here when the first whites

792
00:35:11,500 --> 00:35:09,260
came in and that's what they want you to

793
00:35:14,650 --> 00:35:11,510
say but they want you to then say that

794
00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:14,660
they all came over from Asia across

795
00:35:19,930 --> 00:35:17,240
Beringia which is the land the land

796
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:19,940
bridge between Siberia and Alaska which

797
00:35:24,190 --> 00:35:22,370
was above water during the last ice age

798
00:35:27,460 --> 00:35:24,200
that's what they want you to say but

799
00:35:29,860 --> 00:35:27,470
actually I see what they're doing is is

800
00:35:31,690 --> 00:35:29,870
something very subtle they're actually

801
00:35:36,570 --> 00:35:31,700
saying the Native Americans are nothing

802
00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:36,580
special and I think that is more racist

803
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:41,420
yeah it was Gregg's e-cycle oh I'm sorry

804
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:43,370
no it was like no Greg Greg's

805
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:46,520
encyclopedia of Native American

806
00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:48,860
earthworks his mound builder books and

807
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:51,320
in talks that I watched that got me

808
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,930
interesting like whoa the geometric

809
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,240
forms the predicting of eclipses

810
00:36:00,820 --> 00:35:58,160
understand the metonic cycle at like the

811
00:36:03,550 --> 00:36:00,830
Newark earthworks in Ohio the incredible

812
00:36:06,070 --> 00:36:03,560
nature of native civilizations was so

813
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:06,080
overwhelming that I'm like holy hell I

814
00:36:11,350 --> 00:36:08,000
didn't learn a scrap of this literally

815
00:36:13,540 --> 00:36:11,360
it was like it started with Columbus and

816
00:36:16,270 --> 00:36:13,550
and it just it was like tariffs and Wars

817
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:16,280
and I didn't know anything about native

818
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,650
civilization I was a an avid reader in a

819
00:36:22,210 --> 00:36:20,480
historian when I was younger so I was

820
00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:22,220
shocked and enthralled with the whole

821
00:36:29,050 --> 00:36:24,830
subject and Greg's whole orientation was

822
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:29,060
still I tried you know to just show what

823
00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:31,490
a glorious civilization so many

824
00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:33,670
civilization existed in the Americas

825
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:37,420
before the colonists showed up there are

826
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:39,740
you know there's undercurrents here like

827
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:42,170
you know I've done shows um Roanoke and

828
00:36:46,570 --> 00:36:44,450
and and I know that there's all you know

829
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:46,580
there's a lot of white Americans who are

830
00:36:50,020 --> 00:36:47,990
interested in like the Vikings and

831
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:50,030
things like that and we don't get taught

832
00:36:53,350 --> 00:36:51,680
about Native Americans in schools so

833
00:36:56,590 --> 00:36:53,360
they're not really interesting so it's

834
00:36:59,110 --> 00:36:56,600
just like oh oh did you know did a lost

835
00:37:00,820 --> 00:36:59,120
race build the mounds of America and

836
00:37:04,270 --> 00:37:00,830
there's actually some like white

837
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:04,280
supremists elements that are at the

838
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:06,440
fringes of ancient mysteries that alike

839
00:37:11,170 --> 00:37:08,930
they have this weird story of like white

840
00:37:13,570 --> 00:37:11,180
supremacy that you know I know all the

841
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:13,580
guys I'm I work with it's tough on into

842
00:37:16,540 --> 00:37:15,050
I don't I don't want to dent it you know

843
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:16,550
I'm not gonna get in the soapbox and

844
00:37:20,770 --> 00:37:18,410
pretend I'm the greatest guy ever I'm

845
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:20,780
just going to say that you know my

846
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:23,570
orientation is to like accept all people

847
00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:26,090
for what they are ancient America really

848
00:37:29,290 --> 00:37:27,740
appears to be a melting pot of people

849
00:37:31,690 --> 00:37:29,300
and I never want to take anything away

850
00:37:34,690 --> 00:37:31,700
from indigenous people like I'll go down

851
00:37:37,420 --> 00:37:34,700
to puma punku and I'll say you know this

852
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:37,430
is beyond the to build that site beyond

853
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:39,890
the capabilities or the tools of the

854
00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:42,050
time from like 200 AD so it's not like

855
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,880
bad-mouthing the amira people it's just

856
00:37:47,710 --> 00:37:45,200
saying it almost seems like these

857
00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:47,720
structures we have before them and and

858
00:37:51,940 --> 00:37:50,420
in Egypt is the same thing it's like the

859
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:51,950
Egyptians became what they became

860
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:54,290
through an influx I believe and maybe

861
00:37:57,940 --> 00:37:55,850
Casey would say of people from other

862
00:38:00,580 --> 00:37:57,950
lands mixed with the indigenous peoples

863
00:38:02,620 --> 00:38:00,590
this isn't like you know like the

864
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,630
Spanish used it like oh the very coaches

865
00:38:06,490 --> 00:38:04,640
were the bearded white wisdom keepers

866
00:38:09,250 --> 00:38:06,500
who show it up to these uncivilized

867
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:09,260
people that no I that was like a Spanish

868
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:11,630
Christian twist on it I think you know

869
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:15,850
the the point being that the a lot of

870
00:38:20,050 --> 00:38:18,410
alternative researches I have nothing

871
00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:20,060
but respect for indigenous people all

872
00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:22,940
around the world and I've sat with

873
00:38:27,970 --> 00:38:25,190
indigenous people for long period

874
00:38:30,339 --> 00:38:27,980
and listen to the stories and they're

875
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,349
all saying the same strange and specific

876
00:38:34,300 --> 00:38:32,240
thing about the past there's something

877
00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:34,310
to be had in the understanding of oral

878
00:38:39,069 --> 00:38:36,980
tradition and that to me is where the

879
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:39,079
cultish aspect of academia comes in

880
00:38:45,059 --> 00:38:42,410
there's like no respect you know it used

881
00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:45,069
to be the racism was like cranial

882
00:38:50,589 --> 00:38:47,300
measuring and all this stuff you know

883
00:38:53,650 --> 00:38:50,599
pre eugenics stuff and the late 1800s

884
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:53,660
and now there's a new kind of weird it's

885
00:38:58,089 --> 00:38:55,369
like a liberal racism but something

886
00:39:00,809 --> 00:38:58,099
where like a lot of academia is atheists

887
00:39:04,059 --> 00:39:00,819
like atheistic liberal oriented

888
00:39:06,430 --> 00:39:04,069
teachings in people and I'm kind of like

889
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:06,440
I said I'm like any Democrat I have some

890
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:08,450
conservative tendencies or whatever but

891
00:39:12,910 --> 00:39:10,670
viewing academia now they think they're

892
00:39:14,589 --> 00:39:12,920
doing the right thing and I believe in

893
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,599
social and economic justice but there

894
00:39:18,370 --> 00:39:16,640
was a huge bias and a cultist way of

895
00:39:19,930 --> 00:39:18,380
thinking when it comes to ancient

896
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:19,940
mysteries it's like there's a couple

897
00:39:23,530 --> 00:39:21,770
skinheads over here who's saying this

898
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:23,540
that like Native Americans didn't do

899
00:39:27,130 --> 00:39:25,490
this or that and we're gonna pretend

900
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:27,140
that this was that's what all these

901
00:39:30,309 --> 00:39:29,210
resources are talking about and we're

902
00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:30,319
not going to be objective we're gonna

903
00:39:34,420 --> 00:39:32,780
like paint call everybody a racist who

904
00:39:37,180 --> 00:39:34,430
is like in ancient mysteries researcher

905
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,190
and I know like you know Andrews been a

906
00:39:40,930 --> 00:39:39,200
drew Collins of all people would call

907
00:39:42,940 --> 00:39:40,940
that by like that idiot Jason Colavito

908
00:39:45,460 --> 00:39:42,950
and there's and he's like self-loathing

909
00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:45,470
skeptics who just like live off a diet

910
00:39:49,690 --> 00:39:47,630
of like hate and integration it's just

911
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:49,700
like do you not make it up tell to me

912
00:39:56,650 --> 00:39:54,130
don't you get a better hobby sorry I

913
00:39:58,809 --> 00:39:56,660
this is something cuz there's a lot of

914
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:58,819
cool and thoughtful people who really

915
00:40:03,220 --> 00:40:01,520
like they care about humanity they want

916
00:40:06,430 --> 00:40:03,230
to like share things they want a better

917
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:06,440
world and they're like undercut by an

918
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:08,930
academic cults and by skeptics it's just

919
00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:13,130
not cool in my estimation one of the

920
00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:15,260
thing one of the things that I'll add to

921
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:18,950
that is that until somewhere around the

922
00:40:27,970 --> 00:40:24,560
late 1980s and the the 2000s really is

923
00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:27,980
when it started archeologists pretty

924
00:40:33,609 --> 00:40:30,230
much ignored the alternative community

925
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:33,619
and it's only when the alternative

926
00:40:37,660 --> 00:40:35,450
community that Jim was talking about a

927
00:40:38,830 --> 00:40:37,670
minute ago started telling people how

928
00:40:41,590 --> 00:40:38,840
incredible

929
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,600
some of these archaeological sites are

930
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:43,520
not just in America but also in South

931
00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:46,150
American around the world that is when

932
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,680
archaeologists started taking notice and

933
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:50,480
attacking it's like they circled the

934
00:41:00,010 --> 00:40:56,090
wagons and to some extent it is it's

935
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:00,020
it's pure jealousy its resentment that

936
00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:02,690
they believe that people are making a

937
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:06,080
fortune off of the field that they own

938
00:41:10,510 --> 00:41:08,690
it's their playing field no one else

939
00:41:12,670 --> 00:41:10,520
should be in it and you have all these

940
00:41:14,650 --> 00:41:12,680
alternative writers coming in making a

941
00:41:16,810 --> 00:41:14,660
fortune out of it and I'm sure Jim can

942
00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:16,820
tell you you do not make a fortune out

943
00:41:22,900 --> 00:41:20,750
of this field it doesn't happen you know

944
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:22,910
you don't make a living out of this

945
00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:26,930
field no so so it's really a labor of

946
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:28,670
love because people believe in it I

947
00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:31,690
don't know of any but I know of some

948
00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:34,360
archaeologists that are pretty racist I

949
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:37,940
don't know of anybody and in in this

950
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:40,130
field except perhaps one writer who I'll

951
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,130
just keep unmeant I won't mention but

952
00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:45,440
that's the only person who I even say

953
00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:47,780
might be racist but I don't know anybody

954
00:41:51,310 --> 00:41:49,430
else that shown anything that I would

955
00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:51,320
call racism in fact they're all

956
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:54,620
fascinated and if anything most of us

957
00:41:58,450 --> 00:41:56,810
it's like Jim has almost told you that

958
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:58,460
he's more impressed with these other

959
00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:01,040
indigenous cultures than with himself

960
00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:04,070
it's like I can learn a great deal from

961
00:42:10,030 --> 00:42:07,160
these other cultures that isn't racism

962
00:42:12,010 --> 00:42:10,040
that's the exact opposite of it it's

963
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:12,020
it's really looking at other cultures

964
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:14,750
like they have a great deal to give you

965
00:42:19,060 --> 00:42:16,670
if you're willing to study them so it's

966
00:42:20,620 --> 00:42:19,070
not racism what archeologists are

967
00:42:23,230 --> 00:42:20,630
telling us to do is to know stay away

968
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:23,240
from this there's nothing here to see

969
00:42:27,340 --> 00:42:25,490
there's nothing to we will tell you what

970
00:42:31,900 --> 00:42:27,350
we need to know that's what they're

971
00:42:33,970 --> 00:42:31,910
telling us and I resent it and I don't

972
00:42:35,890 --> 00:42:33,980
really confront them anymore I don't

973
00:42:39,010 --> 00:42:35,900
really mention any of them by name I

974
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:39,020
just write what I write and we'll give

975
00:42:44,290 --> 00:42:41,990
shows like this that's about it you know

976
00:42:47,230 --> 00:42:44,300
I think one of the things that that that

977
00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:47,240
has always just dismayed me about the

978
00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:50,740
whole you know a field of archaeology is

979
00:42:58,530 --> 00:42:52,790
the dismissed

980
00:43:01,920 --> 00:42:58,540
of say like the the indigenous peoples

981
00:43:07,410 --> 00:43:01,930
lore you know legends mythology's

982
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:10,750
concentrating solely on what they dig up

983
00:43:25,090 --> 00:43:21,300
hand-me-down word-for-word stories from

984
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:25,100
thousands of years ago yeah yeah oh yeah

985
00:43:30,270 --> 00:43:28,250
yeah I think yeah go ahead one Greg I

986
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,280
will say one more thing I know you're

987
00:43:33,130 --> 00:43:32,480
moving up to another break am I right

988
00:43:35,740 --> 00:43:33,140
about that

989
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:35,750
about four minutes yeah okay all right

990
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:38,050
so in all the years that I have been

991
00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:40,130
practicing in the field of psychology

992
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:42,350
I've known many many psychologists and

993
00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:45,470
many many academics I have what would be

994
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:48,470
called unusual interests in the field

995
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:51,770
which include UFOs abduction I have an

996
00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:53,930
interest in abduction experiences I have

997
00:43:57,970 --> 00:43:56,420
an interest in apparitional phenomena

998
00:44:00,970 --> 00:43:57,980
and people that claim to have seen

999
00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:00,980
angels and all that kind of stuff I've

1000
00:44:05,530 --> 00:44:03,110
always had an interest in it I've had I

1001
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:05,540
have an interest in aggregating and I

1002
00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:06,770
have of course this interest in

1003
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,870
archaeology so in all the years I've

1004
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:10,880
talked to many many psychologists and

1005
00:44:14,260 --> 00:44:12,410
many many academics who are

1006
00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:14,270
professionals in the field of psychology

1007
00:44:18,700 --> 00:44:17,180
and and they said oh you're interested

1008
00:44:22,330 --> 00:44:18,710
that and I might say yeah and then I

1009
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:22,340
talked a bit not one time has anybody

1010
00:44:27,550 --> 00:44:25,250
ever said well you shouldn't believe

1011
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:27,560
that you shouldn't be in that or that's

1012
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:30,260
bad what they've done is they've said

1013
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,270
why do you think that and often they'll

1014
00:44:37,450 --> 00:44:33,920
say well I need I'll think about that

1015
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,460
they've never attacked it's only in this

1016
00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:39,520
field of archaeology that I've ever

1017
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:42,380
experienced that archeologists have

1018
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:45,110
textbooks out that say all UFOs are

1019
00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:47,690
nonsense they have textbooks out that

1020
00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:49,790
say Edgar Cayce was a charlatan how

1021
00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:52,190
could they know that how can they say

1022
00:44:57,370 --> 00:44:55,250
that they they don't know it it's all an

1023
00:44:59,500 --> 00:44:57,380
opinion and it's based upon something

1024
00:45:02,200 --> 00:44:59,510
deeper it's based upon a deep belief

1025
00:45:03,810 --> 00:45:02,210
system no that's that's a great point

1026
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:03,820
I know we've spent this hour I think

1027
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:06,470
like when I write books my introduction

1028
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:06,710
is

1029
00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:11,089
it doesn't really get put in context

1030
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:13,700
like like how academia works why these

1031
00:45:17,950 --> 00:45:16,310
things aren't widely accepted by

1032
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,960
academics although they're widely

1033
00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:20,240
accepted these topics by the public the

1034
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:22,280
general public I think it's really you

1035
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:23,450
know we'll get into the nuts and bolts

1036
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:25,730
and more evidence-based stuff in our to

1037
00:45:33,550 --> 00:45:28,010
I'm sure not to be the de fête co-host

1038
00:45:36,010 --> 00:45:33,560
here but I think it's really point to

1039
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:36,020
lay it out and I was talking these terms

1040
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:38,330
with my brother and with my friends and

1041
00:45:42,099 --> 00:45:40,609
co-author Hugh Newman like to put it in

1042
00:45:44,530 --> 00:45:42,109
context for people this is what's going

1043
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:44,540
on here it's not like we're right

1044
00:45:50,730 --> 00:45:46,609
they're wrong it's just these are the

1045
00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:50,740
dynamics at work and there is a bizarre

1046
00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:52,730
entrenched orientation in our

1047
00:45:57,730 --> 00:45:55,640
archaeology and anthropology it's I will

1048
00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:57,740
say to you know little geology is a

1049
00:46:01,359 --> 00:45:59,630
little more flexible but a lot of the

1050
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,369
same and it's kind of a shame because

1051
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:03,920
it's it's not like oh these are bad

1052
00:46:07,690 --> 00:46:05,570
people and I want to demonize anyone

1053
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:07,700
it's just like when I go to the doctor

1054
00:46:12,370 --> 00:46:10,280
and I have a compound fracture I'm not

1055
00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:12,380
gonna take home homeopathy I'm glad I'm

1056
00:46:16,930 --> 00:46:14,750
there right but if I need to really heal

1057
00:46:19,450 --> 00:46:16,940
myself I got a self-reflective go to a

1058
00:46:21,070 --> 00:46:19,460
therapist eat a certain way exercise

1059
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:21,080
things the doctor wasn't gonna really

1060
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:23,330
tell me because it's an allopathic kind

1061
00:46:28,329 --> 00:46:25,369
of materialistic orientation that is

1062
00:46:30,609 --> 00:46:28,339
being you know taught and is entrenched

1063
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,619
with interests and Dogma and stuff and

1064
00:46:34,270 --> 00:46:32,720
just like academia and I'm sorry but

1065
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:34,280
that's just the way it is so it's it's

1066
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:36,560
not to denigrate in any way anyone or

1067
00:46:41,410 --> 00:46:39,050
any you know situation but to highlight

1068
00:46:43,150 --> 00:46:41,420
there's you know what's going on here

1069
00:46:45,849 --> 00:46:43,160
and why I think people should be open

1070
00:46:47,290 --> 00:46:45,859
these ideas alright excellent well okay

1071
00:46:49,089 --> 00:46:47,300
we need to go to our top of the hour

1072
00:46:51,490 --> 00:46:49,099
break when we come back we'll continue

1073
00:46:53,890 --> 00:46:51,500
our conversation with Jim Vieira and

1074
00:47:01,400 --> 00:46:53,900
Kirk dr. Rick little on exploring the

1075
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:02,790
explode

1076
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:06,550
the bazaars or e-ticket ride into the

1077
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:08,370
world of the paranoid

1078
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:11,650
strap yourself e'en as we traverse the

1079
00:47:19,070 --> 00:47:15,960
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and team sports welcome back to

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the second hour of exploring the bizarre

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our guest tonight Jim Vieira and dr.

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00:47:52,830 --> 00:47:48,090
Greg little and we are talking about

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giants Casey Oh alternative archaeology

1090
00:47:58,980 --> 00:47:56,920
all kinds of fun stuff and if anybody

1091
00:48:03,150 --> 00:47:58,990
out there has any questions for our

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00:48:04,770 --> 00:48:03,160
guests and please text us you can call

1093
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in all kinds of different ways you know

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go to the chat room

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00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:08,170
we love to we love to hear from you we

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00:48:13,470 --> 00:48:10,390
love to hear your questions

1097
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:13,480
all right gentlemen so let's let's get

1098
00:48:22,770 --> 00:48:18,820
into the the subject of new world Giants

1099
00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:22,780
now I live in Indiana and as you well

1100
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:28,830
know I mean we have a rich history of

1101
00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:32,310
mounds and earthworks as well as

1102
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:36,390
especially 19th century discovery of

1103
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:38,970
giant bones in this state in fact

1104
00:48:44,970 --> 00:48:41,770
there's a location just a few miles down

1105
00:48:49,470 --> 00:48:44,980
the road from where I live that there is

1106
00:48:51,390 --> 00:48:49,480
a newspaper article talking about giant

1107
00:48:55,110 --> 00:48:51,400
bones discovered in this mound which you

1108
00:49:00,360 --> 00:48:55,120
know unfortunately has long been plowed

1109
00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:00,370
under as are a lot of the smaller sites

1110
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:02,950
throughout the state we still have the

1111
00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:07,330
the Anderson bounds and then the the

1112
00:49:13,310 --> 00:49:09,300
Evansville Indiana

1113
00:49:18,050 --> 00:49:13,320
mounds which have become state parks but

1114
00:49:23,740 --> 00:49:18,060
a lot of the critics of the whole North

1115
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:23,750
America giant bones they love to pick on

1116
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,170
the newspaper and science journal

1117
00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:29,760
articles that were written at the time

1118
00:49:36,830 --> 00:49:33,270
of these discoveries saying that you

1119
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:36,840
know they were local hoaxes that they

1120
00:49:42,890 --> 00:49:39,810
were a reprint after reprint from other

1121
00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:42,900
newspapers across the country now you

1122
00:49:49,180 --> 00:49:46,260
know I've had the opportunity to do

1123
00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:49,190
research myself going to local libraries

1124
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,630
things like that looking up some of

1125
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,760
these older newspaper accounts you

1126
00:49:57,830 --> 00:49:56,400
sometimes you can tell that yeah this is

1127
00:50:00,320 --> 00:49:57,840
you know probably an editor or a

1128
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:00,330
reporter having fun and there are you

1129
00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:02,850
know reprints from across the country

1130
00:50:09,859 --> 00:50:07,080
but there are also a lot of local

1131
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:09,869
accounts that happened within you know a

1132
00:50:16,820 --> 00:50:12,170
few days after the article was written

1133
00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:16,830
about these discoveries so and I think

1134
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:19,350
that a lot of people in this country are

1135
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:23,910
surprised to learn that these kinds of

1136
00:50:28,580 --> 00:50:25,980
finds you know had been made in the past

1137
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:28,590
they may be familiar with say like

1138
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:30,930
difficult accounts of giants and and

1139
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:33,050
things like that but they have no idea

1140
00:50:42,980 --> 00:50:38,490
that these types of bones were being

1141
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:42,990
discovered in in North America so

1142
00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:45,060
whoever wants to jump on this first go

1143
00:50:50,570 --> 00:50:47,240
out Jim

1144
00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:50,580
sure I will I will and then Greg can add

1145
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,020
his expertise to it absolutely I found

1146
00:51:02,510 --> 00:50:57,359
I mean I've tracked down so many stories

1147
00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:02,520
I read on Facebook I wrote the daily

1148
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:05,070
daily giant for four hundred and thirty

1149
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:07,380
days straight where I investigated and

1150
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:10,170
reported on individual accounts for that

1151
00:51:12,590 --> 00:51:11,640
length of time it was kind of

1152
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:12,600
tongue-in-cheek

1153
00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:15,660
but I I dug into the research it forced

1154
00:51:21,140 --> 00:51:18,780
me to contact family members to talk to

1155
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:21,150
professionals to dig into records and

1156
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:22,920
what I found was

1157
00:51:27,620 --> 00:51:24,390
the vast majority of these accounts

1158
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:27,630
aren't headlined splashing clickbait of

1159
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:31,280
the time they're rather obscurely buried

1160
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:33,890
documented by sober academics or

1161
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:36,450
historians you know sometimes farmers

1162
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:39,330
and laypeople but so many the accounts

1163
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:41,850
are you know 8 foot 2 and skeleton was

1164
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:44,610
unearthed the jawbone was so massive it

1165
00:51:49,580 --> 00:51:46,380
could fit over the largest man in town

1166
00:51:52,100 --> 00:51:49,590
with room to spare and across the entire

1167
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:52,110
country you know these same reports the

1168
00:51:59,090 --> 00:51:54,930
town is abuzz the skull is at the county

1169
00:52:00,320 --> 00:51:59,100
clerk's office you know that and you you

1170
00:52:02,330 --> 00:52:00,330
reach out and you're like oh my

1171
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:02,340
grandfather dug that up like in a show

1172
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:04,920
in Missouri 8-foot skeleton we found the

1173
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:06,900
spot it was dug up and he's like oh if

1174
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:08,250
he was saying it you take that to the

1175
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:10,920
bank and students along with the

1176
00:52:14,210 --> 00:52:12,330
professor from the University of

1177
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:14,220
Missouri they measured it they shipped

1178
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:17,010
it to the Smithsonian 1933 and I'm not

1179
00:52:21,620 --> 00:52:19,890
gonna put it all in the Smithsonian as

1180
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:21,630
some vast conspiracy and they have giant

1181
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:24,240
bones in the 20th level of their of

1182
00:52:28,820 --> 00:52:26,820
their dungeon or whatever I'm just going

1183
00:52:32,570 --> 00:52:28,830
to say that there is no question that

1184
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:32,580
these are just the measurement of a

1185
00:52:36,590 --> 00:52:34,470
stationary objects in an era of

1186
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:36,600
inefficient communication a lot of these

1187
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:38,610
are not hoaxes although there are some

1188
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,890
of course there were some regression

1189
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:42,240
formula problems there's miss

1190
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:44,220
measurement I mean there's a faulty

1191
00:52:48,620 --> 00:52:46,890
regression formulas that we use but

1192
00:52:50,540 --> 00:52:48,630
autumn adjust like if it's a 29 inch

1193
00:52:54,050 --> 00:52:50,550
femur bone with Native American

1194
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:54,060
artifacts in context you can be pretty

1195
00:52:57,830 --> 00:52:56,040
certain that it's a 29 inch Freema bone

1196
00:53:00,680 --> 00:52:57,840
it's absolutely enormous over 8 foot

1197
00:53:02,750 --> 00:53:00,690
tall person and the early explorers

1198
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:02,760
everyone you can name from the jel in

1199
00:53:07,820 --> 00:53:05,310
DeSoto Coronado John Smith they all

1200
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:07,830
encounted enormous giant Chiefs like

1201
00:53:13,550 --> 00:53:11,010
Tuscaloosa and Alabama and his father I

1202
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:13,560
you know it's it's not like oh the

1203
00:53:18,130 --> 00:53:16,170
Spanish were 5-2 and the natives were 5

1204
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:18,140
9 it was like they were talking about

1205
00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:21,540
absolutely enormous native rulers and

1206
00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:25,020
and you know the whole story taken

1207
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:26,940
together it's not just one or two

1208
00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:29,490
sources it's religious documents oral

1209
00:53:35,570 --> 00:53:32,390
traditions the Rosicrucians Freemasons

1210
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:35,580
great mystics they all talk about giants

1211
00:53:38,780 --> 00:53:36,510
being a reality

1212
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:38,790
and the Bible has like 23 different

1213
00:53:43,340 --> 00:53:41,490
accounts of giants the sons of anak you

1214
00:53:45,980 --> 00:53:43,350
have the Anunnaki

1215
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:45,990
it's just amazing the entire globe is

1216
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:49,050
littered with like giant hands and feet

1217
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:51,690
with six fingers and toes in rock art

1218
00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:55,200
and petroglyphs and oral traditions and

1219
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:57,510
on isolated Pacific Islands the whole

1220
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:01,440
thing is it's so astonishing how Giants

1221
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:03,720
are woven into the the the literal

1222
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:05,970
landscape everywhere you go all around

1223
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:08,850
this globe and ancient america has a

1224
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:11,130
mysterious story to tell that should be

1225
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:13,800
welcomed you want to get people into

1226
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,170
like to have an interest in it what was

1227
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:18,240
going on the these natives and

1228
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:20,460
civilizations were astounding let's look

1229
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:22,650
at them and instead you see the

1230
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:24,570
entrenched orientation of dismissing all

1231
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:26,850
of them with an amalgam of like

1232
00:54:30,859 --> 00:54:29,760
half-assed debunking theories like all

1233
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:30,869
the mastodon bones

1234
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:32,970
no they're not you know maybe one or two

1235
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:35,250
but we're talking about a Native

1236
00:54:39,590 --> 00:54:37,500
American grave that is has Native

1237
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:39,600
American artifacts in it with with the

1238
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:42,090
you know the specific anatomical

1239
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:44,760
measurements so I'm not saying I have

1240
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:45,690
the time machine

1241
00:54:49,490 --> 00:54:47,220
but I'm saying nobody has the time

1242
00:54:51,260 --> 00:54:49,500
machine and to denigrate oral traditions

1243
00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:51,270
and ignore all these accounts is bad

1244
00:54:59,780 --> 00:54:56,220
science a little you've got to add into

1245
00:55:02,090 --> 00:54:59,790
that and you and Hugh Andrew and I and

1246
00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:02,100
several other people Ross Hamilton's

1247
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:04,230
another one I there's people it loads of

1248
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,180
people I should mention but we don't

1249
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:07,920
have time to mention them all but there

1250
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:10,050
has been a lot of research where people

1251
00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:12,510
like us have gone through the actual

1252
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:15,840
scientific studies the scientific

1253
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:18,600
articles published by the people that

1254
00:55:23,810 --> 00:55:21,450
did the excavations they were doctoral

1255
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:23,820
level archaeologists at the University

1256
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:26,790
of Kentucky at the from the Carnegie

1257
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:29,250
Institution from the University of

1258
00:55:35,980 --> 00:55:32,520
Alabama many many archaeologists dug

1259
00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:35,990
into mounds doing excavations before

1260
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:39,240
1990 that's a key date in all of this

1261
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:42,660
and they reported good measurements they

1262
00:55:48,140 --> 00:55:44,810
knew how to measure skeletal remains

1263
00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:48,150
they found many many skeletons that were

1264
00:55:52,670 --> 00:55:50,040
between seven and eight

1265
00:55:55,580 --> 00:55:52,680
and they found a lot more that were say

1266
00:55:58,370 --> 00:55:55,590
six five six six six seven six eight six

1267
00:56:00,380 --> 00:55:58,380
nine and so on but they found many that

1268
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:00,390
were at least seven feet tall to eight

1269
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:03,290
feet tall statistically it is

1270
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:06,960
disproportionate there have been I ran

1271
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,290
several statistical measures on it based

1272
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:12,900
strictly on what the Smithsonian found

1273
00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:15,510
and statistically it's not a coincidence

1274
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:17,940
it's not something you'd find by chance

1275
00:56:23,060 --> 00:56:20,640
there was a group in ancient America of

1276
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:23,070
people I don't talk about people above

1277
00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:26,210
eight feet tall there probably were some

1278
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:29,190
but it's it's very clear there was a

1279
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:31,710
very large group of people no pun

1280
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:34,650
intended that were here at the time of

1281
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:37,140
the mound builders sometime maybe three

1282
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:40,110
four thousand years ago who were seven

1283
00:56:44,450 --> 00:56:41,870
to eight feet tall and they were

1284
00:56:46,550 --> 00:56:44,460
important they were the elite and we

1285
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:46,560
know that because they were not cremated

1286
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:49,110
they were put in elaborate tombs and

1287
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,450
elaborate elaborate burials so they were

1288
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:53,520
very important to the society there's no

1289
00:56:57,050 --> 00:56:54,240
doubt about it

1290
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,060
now the skeptics don't ever even talk

1291
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:00,240
about them it's in all of the scientific

1292
00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:02,010
literature but the skeptics will not

1293
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:05,430
even acknowledge them they say well show

1294
00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:07,350
me the bones Jim knows very well what

1295
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:08,280
happened to them

1296
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:11,520
this Missoni and when I contacted this

1297
00:57:19,070 --> 00:57:15,450
myth Sounion this was in 2015

1298
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:19,080
yes 2015 I was told that they had less

1299
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:22,800
than 300 Native American and that dis

1300
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:25,500
include South and Central America Native

1301
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:28,710
American skeletal remains less than 300

1302
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:31,680
and all of the ones that they had were

1303
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:33,960
from South and Central America and the

1304
00:57:38,900 --> 00:57:36,090
only reason that they had those is they

1305
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:38,910
couldn't find anyone to give them to

1306
00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:41,430
they could not get rid of them they're

1307
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:42,660
not allowed to get rid of them they had

1308
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:44,880
to give them to some native tribe some

1309
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:46,770
official tribe that would take them and

1310
00:57:51,770 --> 00:57:49,650
then the native tribes either Ribery

1311
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:51,780
them or they cremate them I know they

1312
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:54,180
have done a lot of cremations on them so

1313
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:56,760
the evidence of all these skeletons is

1314
00:58:01,490 --> 00:58:00,000
gone and that that's very convenient for

1315
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:01,500
the skeptics to say well show me a

1316
00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:03,690
skeleton well there are some photo

1317
00:58:07,339 --> 00:58:05,190
of them and there certainly are loads

1318
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:07,349
and loads of archaeological reports from

1319
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:09,540
major American universities where they

1320
00:58:14,780 --> 00:58:12,510
were found that is that is very clear a

1321
00:58:17,180 --> 00:58:14,790
lot of the newspaper articles that Jim

1322
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:17,190
mentioned I believe he started out he

1323
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:18,630
started this out by saying there were

1324
00:58:23,150 --> 00:58:20,970
about at least 1500 of them now and I'm

1325
00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:23,160
sure that is correct if not more than

1326
00:58:29,450 --> 00:58:26,040
that some of those newspaper articles

1327
00:58:32,839 --> 00:58:29,460
were based upon the archaeological finds

1328
00:58:34,819 --> 00:58:32,849
and I by all I did with a skeptic was he

1329
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:34,829
said oh they're all nonsense and I said

1330
00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:37,740
well hmm that means if we find just one

1331
00:58:45,099 --> 00:58:41,550
that wasn't nonsense then your statement

1332
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:45,109
that they're all nonsense is wrong and

1333
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:47,609
we did it was very easy to find

1334
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:51,119
newspaper articles that were reporting

1335
00:58:56,180 --> 00:58:53,910
straight out of the archaeological

1336
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:56,190
reports it is true that there were some

1337
00:58:59,960 --> 00:58:58,260
that were exaggerations and probably

1338
00:59:02,450 --> 00:58:59,970
some that were made up and some that

1339
00:59:04,099 --> 00:59:02,460
were based on very elaborate hoaxes some

1340
00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:04,109
of these people were very clever with

1341
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:05,910
what they did but they weren't

1342
00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:07,290
archaeologists and they weren't people

1343
00:59:12,290 --> 00:59:10,619
out to do a hoax with Native Americans

1344
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:12,300
per se they were trying to make money

1345
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:14,220
out of it one way or another they were

1346
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:16,770
doing the hoaxes to to swindle people

1347
00:59:21,890 --> 00:59:19,250
out of money in some cases land deals

1348
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:21,900
but there is clear evidence that they

1349
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:24,930
were here I know a lot more about North

1350
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:28,050
America I know to South America has many

1351
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:31,680
many tales one of the people who

1352
00:59:39,530 --> 00:59:35,250
witnessed the extermination of the very

1353
00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:39,540
tall people in extreme south america

1354
00:59:46,010 --> 00:59:42,750
around Tierra del Fuego wrote about it

1355
00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:46,020
I've got quotes in the net in the book

1356
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:47,550
that's coming out in September about

1357
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:49,500
what this person wrote about it

1358
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:51,930
watching the extermination of this very

1359
00:59:58,099 --> 00:59:55,650
tall tribe of people all of whom were

1360
01:00:01,420 --> 00:59:58,109
supposedly well over seven feet tall and

1361
01:00:04,819 --> 01:00:01,430
that person was Charles Darwin hmm

1362
01:00:07,069 --> 01:00:04,829
Darwin is the person who wrote that and

1363
01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:07,079
and witnessed it we know there were

1364
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:09,480
these pockets where there were a lot of

1365
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:12,420
very tall people they exceedingly tall

1366
01:00:17,470 --> 01:00:16,170
so there was something going on and it

1367
01:00:20,620 --> 01:00:17,480
truly it's a

1368
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:20,630
very interesting mystery and I would

1369
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:22,850
take the position what is the harm and

1370
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:24,770
looking into it how does that hurt

1371
01:00:30,190 --> 01:00:28,130
science how does that hurt archaeology

1372
01:00:33,070 --> 01:00:30,200
and it doesn't they're just they just

1373
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:33,080
aren't doing it themselves and they

1374
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:35,410
can't for whatever reason or they're not

1375
01:00:40,359 --> 01:00:39,020
yeah let me quickly add the the onna

1376
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:40,369
people that you talked about in

1377
01:00:45,130 --> 01:00:43,280
Patagonia at the tip of South America

1378
01:00:48,430 --> 01:00:45,140
my buddy Mikey you is he's done a lot of

1379
01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:48,440
research into you know giant mysteries

1380
01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:51,950
and he found a Frederick cook article at

1381
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,680
the in the late 1800s when the owner

1382
01:01:00,910 --> 01:00:56,960
were being exterminated and he met

1383
01:01:02,740 --> 01:01:00,920
between you know six and a half to seven

1384
01:01:04,270 --> 01:01:02,750
and a half foot tall natives it he has

1385
01:01:07,090 --> 01:01:04,280
pitches and we have him in our book a

1386
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:07,100
six foot six own a woman a seven foot

1387
01:01:11,770 --> 01:01:09,170
two male a seven foot four male all

1388
01:01:14,859 --> 01:01:11,780
photographed and cook talked about like

1389
01:01:17,770 --> 01:01:14,869
they had an incredible strength that

1390
01:01:19,540 --> 01:01:17,780
like their voice was like in a vault

1391
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:19,550
you know the almost people with almost

1392
01:01:24,780 --> 01:01:22,640
different genetics then then we have you

1393
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:24,790
know like a genetic mystery but

1394
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:27,290
absolutely an anthropological curveball

1395
01:01:31,990 --> 01:01:29,930
this isn't like like when I talk to

1396
01:01:33,849 --> 01:01:32,000
skeptics it's like well maybe there's

1397
01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:33,859
like the Adina people they were fed

1398
01:01:37,420 --> 01:01:35,750
better than the rest of the other people

1399
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:37,430
or they were interbreeding in a royal

1400
01:01:46,210 --> 01:01:39,650
class you don't talk or when you're fed

1401
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:46,220
better you just get that I appreciate

1402
01:01:51,010 --> 01:01:49,190
the the desire to maybe try to figure it

1403
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:51,020
out but it's never through the lens of

1404
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:52,970
maybe there was you know in ancient

1405
01:01:59,140 --> 01:01:57,290
America and you know evolution occurring

1406
01:02:01,540 --> 01:01:59,150
you know from australopithecines to the

1407
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:01,550
homogeneous the spread around the globe

1408
01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:04,310
and now you see that it's all in turmoil

1409
01:02:08,770 --> 01:02:05,630
that's another thing like Out of Africa

1410
01:02:12,190 --> 01:02:08,780
is a mess human origins it's like is it

1411
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:12,200
multi regionalism why is Homo erectus in

1412
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:14,090
the Republic of Georgia two million

1413
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:15,290
years ago there's all these new

1414
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:17,890
questions which is great but a

1415
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,050
perceptual shift well maybe there was a

1416
01:02:24,730 --> 01:02:23,119
lost continent or maybe there is genetic

1417
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:24,740
intervention and the creation of Homo

1418
01:02:29,830 --> 01:02:27,530
sapiens my answers a lot of questions

1419
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:29,840
that we're talking about here and if you

1420
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:31,040
read all the the

1421
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:33,290
accounts of the Mystics the secret

1422
01:02:38,140 --> 01:02:37,250
societies the oral traditions you find a

1423
01:02:39,970 --> 01:02:38,150
different story

1424
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:39,980
you know these ancient texts although a

1425
01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:42,290
lot of wisdom that they're telling the

1426
01:02:46,930 --> 01:02:44,270
same strange and specific story about

1427
01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:46,940
the origins of humans and it has a very

1428
01:02:51,820 --> 01:02:50,030
supernatural aspect to it and I was shy

1429
01:02:54,550 --> 01:02:51,830
I shied away from that for a long time

1430
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:54,560
because I'm in over my head already but

1431
01:02:58,540 --> 01:02:56,810
you know intuitively there is something

1432
01:03:01,050 --> 01:02:58,550
to these stories I believe and at the

1433
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:01,060
very least there were the investigation

1434
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:03,530
okay you brought up a good point about

1435
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:10,240
the genetic mysteries one of the

1436
01:03:17,380 --> 01:03:13,610
consistent points that has been brought

1437
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:17,390
up with a lot of these early you know

1438
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:19,910
newspaper and science journal accounts

1439
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:22,730
is the observation that a lot of these

1440
01:03:29,890 --> 01:03:25,370
giant skulls had double rows of teeth

1441
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:29,900
and and I know that that the Jim that

1442
01:03:36,610 --> 01:03:32,810
you have been taken to task a couple of

1443
01:03:43,690 --> 01:03:36,620
times by some skeptics when you discuss

1444
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:43,700
this but it's this this was written

1445
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:44,810
about quite a bit

1446
01:03:50,050 --> 01:03:47,930
I mean you know not every account of a

1447
01:03:55,930 --> 01:03:50,060
giant's goal it always was observed to

1448
01:04:02,860 --> 01:03:55,940
have this but do you think that this is

1449
01:04:07,870 --> 01:04:02,870
a real phenomena well yeah well what I'm

1450
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:07,880
trying to think of is a a hereditary

1451
01:04:12,100 --> 01:04:10,130
trait you know when you have family

1452
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:12,110
groups marrying in with each other you

1453
01:04:18,010 --> 01:04:14,330
know you you carry this on you know down

1454
01:04:20,020 --> 01:04:18,020
down the line nominally thank you thank

1455
01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:20,030
your ass yes right right I mean do you

1456
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:23,270
do you think this this is that this

1457
01:04:28,410 --> 01:04:25,250
actually you know took place that these

1458
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:28,420
observations were correct or as somebody

1459
01:04:34,450 --> 01:04:31,370
pointed out I was reading today was just

1460
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:34,460
a matter of they had ground their teeth

1461
01:04:38,380 --> 01:04:36,650
down to such a point that it was just

1462
01:04:40,270 --> 01:04:38,390
their molar you know the roots of their

1463
01:04:42,010 --> 01:04:40,280
bowler showing through yeah yeah I'll

1464
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:42,020
give my take on it and then Greg and

1465
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,650
chimed in

1466
01:04:46,359 --> 01:04:44,480
there's a note

1467
01:04:48,099 --> 01:04:46,369
took that I'm friends with who made the

1468
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:48,109
point that it might be the parlance of

1469
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:51,290
the time like like these these finds

1470
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:53,900
were described like like if you

1471
01:04:58,150 --> 01:04:55,490
double-jointed do you not really

1472
01:05:00,550 --> 01:04:58,160
double-jointed you know like when in the

1473
01:05:03,099 --> 01:05:00,560
1900 it's discussing like perfect teeth

1474
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:03,109
and an allure an upper jaw was a you

1475
01:05:08,380 --> 01:05:05,810
know to say a double row of teeth was a

1476
01:05:10,210 --> 01:05:08,390
way to describe that because you know

1477
01:05:11,650 --> 01:05:10,220
most of the colonists said the teeth

1478
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:11,660
rotting out of their head and the native

1479
01:05:16,330 --> 01:05:13,490
scholars had perfect teeth so that

1480
01:05:21,340 --> 01:05:16,340
that's the the idea you know and I'll

1481
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:21,350
say too that I've done a same thing in

1482
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:23,119
your up Hugh Newman and I have uncovered

1483
01:05:27,580 --> 01:05:25,250
hundreds of accounts and I haven't found

1484
01:05:29,620 --> 01:05:27,590
any double rows of teeth accounts in

1485
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:29,630
Europe but I've certainly found jaw

1486
01:05:33,430 --> 01:05:31,730
bones over the face massive skeletons

1487
01:05:37,450 --> 01:05:33,440
the same thing you find in the Americas

1488
01:05:40,359 --> 01:05:37,460
so I am open to the idea you know when

1489
01:05:42,430 --> 01:05:40,369
when it was first brought up it was that

1490
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:42,440
this is a complete hoax and I'm like

1491
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:43,490
this isn't a hoax

1492
01:05:48,700 --> 01:05:46,490
this is reported you know like I sin in

1493
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:48,710
obscure journals and stuff something

1494
01:05:52,540 --> 01:05:51,170
else is going on and maybe some of these

1495
01:05:57,099 --> 01:05:52,550
are described

1496
01:05:59,650 --> 01:05:57,109
maybe these are am i trying to say are

1497
01:06:01,960 --> 01:05:59,660
really the parlance of the time you know

1498
01:06:03,790 --> 01:06:01,970
I'm not against that idea I'm open to

1499
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:03,800
whatever but what it really does

1500
01:06:08,410 --> 01:06:06,050
indicate are these real accounts and

1501
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:08,420
real observations of human skeletons not

1502
01:06:13,030 --> 01:06:10,490
Mastodon bones and things like that it

1503
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:13,040
could be hyper don t extra teeth it

1504
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:14,960
could be double rows of teeth I'm not

1505
01:06:20,890 --> 01:06:17,510
entirely sure I just know that it's not

1506
01:06:24,820 --> 01:06:20,900
a hoax that's what that's where I fall

1507
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:24,830
down on it Jim I think Jim is dead on

1508
01:06:30,580 --> 01:06:28,730
with that some of it was the parlance of

1509
01:06:32,530 --> 01:06:30,590
the time where a double row of teeth

1510
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:32,540
meant you had to an upper and a lower

1511
01:06:37,690 --> 01:06:35,570
upper and lower row of teeth but I think

1512
01:06:39,700 --> 01:06:37,700
some of them did have what you're

1513
01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:39,710
calling a double row of teeth some of

1514
01:06:45,099 --> 01:06:42,740
them actually did have that if they did

1515
01:06:48,670 --> 01:06:45,109
it has to be a genetic disorder all of

1516
01:06:50,620 --> 01:06:48,680
that comes from genetics anyway but if I

1517
01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:50,630
was Jim what I would do is flip that

1518
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:52,670
back on the person that said that is

1519
01:06:56,830 --> 01:06:55,010
attacking that Oh ed that these reports

1520
01:06:57,940 --> 01:06:56,840
say a double row of teeth oh that really

1521
01:07:00,339 --> 01:06:57,950
means this

1522
01:07:02,140 --> 01:07:00,349
and if they're in if you if they're

1523
01:07:04,299 --> 01:07:02,150
saying that that part of the story is

1524
01:07:06,190 --> 01:07:04,309
true then why isn't the seven-foot-tall

1525
01:07:09,010 --> 01:07:06,200
true that's in the same newspaper

1526
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:09,020
article if there are saying that it must

1527
01:07:14,289 --> 01:07:11,450
be that all they must be referring to

1528
01:07:16,510 --> 01:07:14,299
just regular teeth well then why is the

1529
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:16,520
other part not looked at why is the

1530
01:07:22,690 --> 01:07:18,530
other part not true then they're saying

1531
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:22,700
part of the article is true and yes and

1532
01:07:25,180 --> 01:07:24,049
that's the point I made it's just like

1533
01:07:27,579 --> 01:07:25,190
yeah actually this is further

1534
01:07:29,230 --> 01:07:27,589
verification that this is a real

1535
01:07:33,579 --> 01:07:29,240
phenomena that should be investigated

1536
01:07:36,190 --> 01:07:33,589
and 1877 forty-fourth Smithsonian

1537
01:07:39,789 --> 01:07:36,200
ethnology report Augustus Mitchell and I

1538
01:07:42,099 --> 01:07:39,799
think Amelia Island Florida on earth and

1539
01:07:43,870 --> 01:07:42,109
over 7-foot skeleton and he said not

1540
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:43,880
only did it have two rows of teeth it

1541
01:07:48,430 --> 01:07:46,609
had a third set coming in - that was in

1542
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:48,440
the Smithsonian's own ethnology reports

1543
01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:50,690
and Mitchell put the skull in front of

1544
01:07:54,819 --> 01:07:53,089
him he said it was absolutely the most

1545
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:54,829
giant skull this is all in the records

1546
01:07:59,620 --> 01:07:56,770
he's ever seen and it disintegrated

1547
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,630
after like a half an hour of exposure to

1548
01:08:04,470 --> 01:08:02,000
the air and when I did my TEDx talk I

1549
01:08:07,809 --> 01:08:04,480
mentioned that a lot of these bones were

1550
01:08:09,609 --> 01:08:07,819
disintegrated or reporters who have

1551
01:08:12,730 --> 01:08:09,619
disintegrated after some point because

1552
01:08:14,740 --> 01:08:12,740
whatever and one of the arguments was

1553
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:14,750
that I made that up so I didn't have to

1554
01:08:23,829 --> 01:08:21,650
explain where the bones were report

1555
01:08:25,959 --> 01:08:23,839
after report that the Smithsonian wrote

1556
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:25,969
that as soon as they exposed the bones

1557
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:28,640
to the air they could actually see them

1558
01:08:34,539 --> 01:08:32,049
start to turn to almost powdery dust

1559
01:08:38,019 --> 01:08:34,549
exactly when we come back I know we got

1560
01:08:40,450 --> 01:08:38,029
a break coming when we come back Elvia

1561
01:08:43,450 --> 01:08:40,460
island because I talked to the officials

1562
01:08:45,249 --> 01:08:43,460
there about the giant reports that is

1563
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:45,259
one of the places where some of the

1564
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:48,410
early explorers went in and they met

1565
01:08:53,169 --> 01:08:51,170
exceedingly tall people and the Chiefs

1566
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:53,179
were all at least seven feet - all the

1567
01:08:56,829 --> 01:08:55,489
women were almost as tall as the Chiefs

1568
01:08:59,079 --> 01:08:56,839
and the rest of the tribe was

1569
01:09:01,329 --> 01:08:59,089
exceedingly tall and I've got to tell

1570
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:01,339
you what they officially say now and

1571
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:03,170
what they say in their museums there

1572
01:09:06,849 --> 01:09:04,489
it's very interesting

1573
01:09:09,519 --> 01:09:06,859
of course they deny at all they it's

1574
01:09:11,650 --> 01:09:09,529
it's just totally denied but you

1575
01:09:14,140 --> 01:09:11,660
actually got proof what

1576
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:14,150
just said I mean some of those double

1577
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:16,490
rows of teeth or even triple there is

1578
01:09:21,850 --> 01:09:19,370
evidence for them absolutely they

1579
01:09:23,530 --> 01:09:21,860
probably not all of those reports are

1580
01:09:25,570 --> 01:09:23,540
true but we already know newspaper

1581
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:25,580
reports aren't true and I love the way

1582
01:09:28,540 --> 01:09:27,920
they say oh those old newspaper reports

1583
01:09:33,970 --> 01:09:28,550
aren't true

1584
01:09:36,730 --> 01:09:33,980
well how about modern newspaper reported

1585
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:36,740
a true and the answer's no just the way

1586
01:09:40,450 --> 01:09:38,570
it is it's a way to denigrate the

1587
01:09:43,150 --> 01:09:40,460
argument and and the reality is the

1588
01:09:45,670 --> 01:09:43,160
majority these accounts aren't newspaper

1589
01:09:47,500 --> 01:09:45,680
accounts right yeah they're academic

1590
01:09:48,910 --> 01:09:47,510
journals they're scientific reports

1591
01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:48,920
that's that's what I'm getting at and

1592
01:09:53,950 --> 01:09:52,190
we're all talking about so and I know

1593
01:09:55,420 --> 01:09:53,960
the break is here in a second there are

1594
01:09:58,060 --> 01:09:55,430
dozens of accounts where it's

1595
01:10:01,690 --> 01:09:58,070
specifically stated a remarkable feature

1596
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,700
was double rows of teeth in both the

1597
01:10:05,740 --> 01:10:03,920
upper and lower jaw you have that the

1598
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,750
Bates mom with eight-foot skeletons in

1599
01:10:11,020 --> 01:10:07,600
Ohio you have it in Martha's Vineyard

1600
01:10:12,460 --> 01:10:11,030
Rockingham Vermont I'm gonna happen I'm

1601
01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:12,470
gonna interrupt you here Jim we have to

1602
01:10:15,610 --> 01:10:13,640
go to our break right now when we come

1603
01:10:17,980 --> 01:10:15,620
back we'll let this conversation

1604
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:17,990
continue on exploring the bizarre since

1605
01:10:28,189 --> 01:10:19,370
taken

1606
01:10:34,919 --> 01:10:32,339
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1607
01:10:37,919 --> 01:10:34,929
two of the most electrifying researchers

1608
01:10:44,220 --> 01:10:37,929
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1609
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:44,230
Rebecca link Anton lists alright welcome

1610
01:10:47,790 --> 01:10:46,690
back to the final segment of exploring

1611
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:47,800
the bazaar and we're having a great time

1612
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:51,010
tonight with jim vera and dr. greg

1613
01:10:59,129 --> 01:10:54,420
little so a gentleman I want to bring

1614
01:11:01,439 --> 01:10:59,139
Edgar Cayce into all this but I want to

1615
01:11:04,250 --> 01:11:01,449
kind of get into that a little bit

1616
01:11:06,839 --> 01:11:04,260
sideways because I was wanting to ask

1617
01:11:09,299 --> 01:11:06,849
and of course this is just you know

1618
01:11:13,169 --> 01:11:09,309
opinions and speculations but I know

1619
01:11:17,009 --> 01:11:13,179
that you know some researchers have put

1620
01:11:24,330 --> 01:11:17,019
out the idea that that that these giants

1621
01:11:28,290 --> 01:11:24,340
could have been a subspecies a cousin

1622
01:11:29,790 --> 01:11:28,300
you know to to humanity where rather

1623
01:11:32,220 --> 01:11:29,800
than be in your Homo sapiens sapiens

1624
01:11:34,979 --> 01:11:32,230
maybe just you know Homo sapiens you

1625
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:34,989
know like maybe an archaic version of

1626
01:11:39,839 --> 01:11:39,489
the species what are your thoughts on

1627
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:39,849
that

1628
01:11:46,649 --> 01:11:43,210
yeah I'll if I could chime in first I

1629
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:46,659
was gonna mention that one of the

1630
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:49,210
biggest criticisms I know when I started

1631
01:11:55,620 --> 01:11:52,239
this whole area of research was like how

1632
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:55,630
could science ever miss a lost race you

1633
01:12:01,049 --> 01:11:58,210
know that that's utterly absurd you're a

1634
01:12:03,029 --> 01:12:01,059
full take a hike you know like there's

1635
01:12:04,830 --> 01:12:03,039
no way that science has gotten is gonna

1636
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:04,840
miss they've been through you know all

1637
01:12:09,779 --> 01:12:07,449
this evidence at it for so long

1638
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:09,789
and the reality is not only will hobbits

1639
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:13,090
found in Indonesia this in 2003 on the

1640
01:12:16,770 --> 01:12:15,489
Isle of Flores this human cousin that's

1641
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:16,780
about three three and a half foot tall

1642
01:12:23,279 --> 01:12:19,449
but denisa vans were found I think in

1643
01:12:25,109 --> 01:12:23,289
2010 at the Denis of a cave and not only

1644
01:12:26,850 --> 01:12:25,119
are they lost race they might have been

1645
01:12:30,450 --> 01:12:26,860
in have giant you know they might have

1646
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:30,460
been giant as well the you know Greg

1647
01:12:34,259 --> 01:12:32,050
could talk about this he wrote about in

1648
01:12:35,759 --> 01:12:34,269
his new book but they found two massive

1649
01:12:37,709 --> 01:12:35,769
teeth that are so large

1650
01:12:39,509 --> 01:12:37,719
they thought they were the the teeth of

1651
01:12:41,580 --> 01:12:39,519
a cave bear until they sequence him at

1652
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:41,590
the Max Planck Institute and found out

1653
01:12:45,169 --> 01:12:43,090
they were human cousin that actually

1654
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,179
interbred with humans and Neanderthals

1655
01:12:49,259 --> 01:12:48,159
which was once another anthropological

1656
01:12:52,529 --> 01:12:49,269
heresy that was supposed to be

1657
01:12:55,049 --> 01:12:52,539
impossible so basically science is being

1658
01:12:57,989 --> 01:12:55,059
shown that they were you know profoundly

1659
01:12:59,759 --> 01:12:57,999
wrong about this and you know Denis

1660
01:13:02,219 --> 01:12:59,769
ovens could be the clue to this this

1661
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:02,229
mystery but the very least it's a

1662
01:13:07,169 --> 01:13:05,530
astonishing turn of events hair and L

1663
01:13:08,969 --> 01:13:07,179
throats are great because he's mr. Denis

1664
01:13:15,179 --> 01:13:08,979
Civ in these days instead get his take

1665
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:15,189
on what I really believe about that is

1666
01:13:22,949 --> 01:13:18,780
that the discovery of this Denis 'van

1667
01:13:25,350 --> 01:13:22,959
Denis have been lineage of humans tells

1668
01:13:27,540 --> 01:13:25,360
us that there's a lot more probably even

1669
01:13:29,839 --> 01:13:27,550
earlier we don't we still don't have the

1670
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:29,849
whole story just a couple of weeks ago

1671
01:13:36,679 --> 01:13:32,489
there was an artificial intelligence

1672
01:13:39,919 --> 01:13:36,689
statistical study done and they

1673
01:13:43,799 --> 01:13:39,929
determined absolutely there has to be

1674
01:13:47,339 --> 01:13:43,809
some something missing here there were

1675
01:13:50,549 --> 01:13:47,349
other human species I'm calling species

1676
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:50,559
it's a different type of genetic human

1677
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:53,199
they they look like us but they were

1678
01:14:00,359 --> 01:13:56,489
they're different genetically

1679
01:14:02,779 --> 01:14:00,369
Wow yeah yeah we human the human family

1680
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:02,789
is huge and it goes way back in time

1681
01:14:07,139 --> 01:14:05,679
we've probably been primates have been

1682
01:14:08,699 --> 01:14:07,149
banging around at least for eight

1683
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:08,709
million years maybe more

1684
01:14:16,619 --> 01:14:12,159
edgar cayce actually said that it was

1685
01:14:19,049 --> 01:14:16,629
that the first the first sentient or

1686
01:14:22,109 --> 01:14:19,059
human-like life was here around ten

1687
01:14:26,549 --> 01:14:22,119
million years ago and when Cayce said

1688
01:14:29,759 --> 01:14:26,559
that it was believed that modern human

1689
01:14:33,449 --> 01:14:29,769
beings and even primates only went back

1690
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:33,459
to less than 1 million years ago so

1691
01:14:39,089 --> 01:14:36,249
Cayce said it was ten million years ago

1692
01:14:41,580 --> 01:14:39,099
so he was he was thought to be absurd

1693
01:14:44,699 --> 01:14:41,590
even when he started he also said that

1694
01:14:48,149 --> 01:14:44,709
humans began there were five separate

1695
01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:48,159
types of humans different races he

1696
01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:49,390
didn't call them races

1697
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:51,430
that developed pretty much at the same

1698
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:54,250
time in different places and we went

1699
01:15:00,300 --> 01:14:56,530
through a series of route races

1700
01:15:03,510 --> 01:15:00,310
different types of humans and all that

1701
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:03,520
was considered absurd - but I think what

1702
01:15:08,220 --> 01:15:05,530
I think the bottom line today is we

1703
01:15:10,410 --> 01:15:08,230
really don't know and we can point to

1704
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:10,420
the divisive ins as being important and

1705
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:13,480
I think they are there is denisa van DNA

1706
01:15:20,340 --> 01:15:17,530
and Neanderthal DNA in both North

1707
01:15:23,310 --> 01:15:20,350
American Native Americans and in South

1708
01:15:25,470 --> 01:15:23,320
America in the natives there there is a

1709
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:25,480
lot of Denis oven and the and earth all

1710
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:28,810
DNA found in the indigenous people that

1711
01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:31,570
live in New Zealand and Australia and

1712
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:34,450
that as a clue there are people in South

1713
01:15:42,270 --> 01:15:39,690
America that have human DNA identical to

1714
01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:42,280
Australian Aborigines it's the only

1715
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:44,830
place they could have come from and all

1716
01:15:54,150 --> 01:15:48,310
of that it's in a very primitive tribe

1717
01:15:56,460 --> 01:15:54,160
in Amazonia in Brazil and the we don't

1718
01:15:58,590 --> 01:15:56,470
have a complete picture the Pandora's

1719
01:16:01,770 --> 01:15:58,600
Box has kind of been opened here and

1720
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:01,780
there's an old line from fire sign

1721
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:05,440
theatre the 1960s psychedelic group and

1722
01:16:10,140 --> 01:16:08,110
they did fire sign theater made an album

1723
01:16:13,410 --> 01:16:10,150
and the title of it was everything you

1724
01:16:16,050 --> 01:16:13,420
know is wrong yeah that is pretty much

1725
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:16,060
the conclusion that I've reached that

1726
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:18,400
everything we know about ancient history

1727
01:16:23,250 --> 01:16:20,530
is wrong and it's actually because we

1728
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,260
know that winners in wars right history

1729
01:16:28,020 --> 01:16:25,840
the winners right the history it's like

1730
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:28,030
four years in our textbooks they never

1731
01:16:32,190 --> 01:16:30,610
mentioned Native Americans it's just the

1732
01:16:33,630 --> 01:16:32,200
whites came over here there were some

1733
01:16:35,130 --> 01:16:33,640
Indians that fought them they helped

1734
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:35,140
them out at first but they fought them

1735
01:16:39,390 --> 01:16:37,330
and the whites prevailed and then we

1736
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:39,400
found all this weird stuff and we kept

1737
01:16:43,710 --> 01:16:41,140
pushing the Indians further further that

1738
01:16:47,250 --> 01:16:43,720
was the history but everything we knew

1739
01:16:50,250 --> 01:16:47,260
was wrong there was a very very long and

1740
01:16:52,860 --> 01:16:50,260
rich history that took place here and

1741
01:16:55,590 --> 01:16:52,870
it's it's very interesting we just don't

1742
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:55,600
know everything we know is wrong I

1743
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,610
really believe that that is pretty darn

1744
01:17:03,300 --> 01:16:59,440
close to the truth at least with

1745
01:17:05,700 --> 01:17:03,310
archaeology yeah

1746
01:17:07,500 --> 01:17:05,710
on the subject of Ziggler Casey else you

1747
01:17:10,290 --> 01:17:07,510
know what I do is I do a comparative

1748
01:17:12,690 --> 01:17:10,300
analysis of a variety of different

1749
01:17:14,610 --> 01:17:12,700
sources in an effort to figure out what

1750
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:14,620
happened in the past and bypass the

1751
01:17:18,810 --> 01:17:16,810
human ego and not like who I came up

1752
01:17:21,180 --> 01:17:18,820
with some grand theory but I look at all

1753
01:17:23,550 --> 01:17:21,190
the strange and specific things that all

1754
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:23,560
these sources are saying that's Barroso

1755
01:17:28,290 --> 01:17:26,530
sirata displayed Oh Edgar Cayce Rudolf

1756
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:28,300
Steiner Madame Blavatsky the

1757
01:17:31,890 --> 01:17:30,310
Rosicrucians Freemasons religious

1758
01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:31,900
documents and oral traditions from

1759
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:34,060
around the globe are all essentially

1760
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:36,730
telling the same story that for the most

1761
01:17:40,290 --> 01:17:38,890
part a couple you know like the Bible

1762
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:40,300
doesn't talk about Atlantis but they

1763
01:17:44,460 --> 01:17:42,640
talk about the flood and they talk about

1764
01:17:45,690 --> 01:17:44,470
giants or it talks about giants so

1765
01:17:48,660 --> 01:17:45,700
anyways

1766
01:17:51,050 --> 01:17:48,670
Casey's timeline is that two hundred

1767
01:17:53,460 --> 01:17:51,060
thousand two hundred and ten thousand BC

1768
01:17:56,490 --> 01:17:53,470
Atlantis is founded in the middle of the

1769
01:17:58,770 --> 01:17:56,500
Atlantic essentially by spirit beings

1770
01:18:00,330 --> 01:17:58,780
who were ensnared in matter you know

1771
01:18:01,710 --> 01:18:00,340
that that's basically how he portrayed

1772
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:01,720
it whatever you want to make of that

1773
01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:03,850
like a supernatural founding of the

1774
01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:06,790
species and that there were a series of

1775
01:18:11,250 --> 01:18:08,920
cataclysms in fifty and twenty eight

1776
01:18:13,230 --> 01:18:11,260
thousand BC and the last destruction was

1777
01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:13,240
about thirteen thousand years ago the

1778
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:16,840
Younger Dryas impact and as part of a

1779
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:18,730
population of Atlantis there were little

1780
01:18:24,780 --> 01:18:21,850
people and Giants and the first humans

1781
01:18:27,450 --> 01:18:24,790
were androgynous were sexless beings now

1782
01:18:29,790 --> 01:18:27,460
that sounds very odd but then you have

1783
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:29,800
the flood occur and all around the world

1784
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:32,530
after the flood who shows up but

1785
01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:35,530
androgynous beings rocking these strange

1786
01:18:38,820 --> 01:18:37,540
man bags who teach the arts of

1787
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:38,830
civilization to everyone

1788
01:18:45,570 --> 01:18:43,450
very koja in south america quasi Codel

1789
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:45,580
both androgynous wisdom bringing

1790
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:48,400
bringers culture heroes who she knew ah

1791
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:51,520
is androgynous in China he taught the I

1792
01:18:57,570 --> 01:18:54,330
Ching or he she taught the I Ching Oh

1793
01:18:59,790 --> 01:18:57,580
honest the fish God was androgynous who

1794
01:19:02,070 --> 01:18:59,800
taught the arts and civilization of the

1795
01:19:04,290 --> 01:19:02,080
Sumerians the Dogon people in Mali

1796
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:04,300
Africa they have the Nommo who are

1797
01:19:10,260 --> 01:19:06,640
endogenous beings that show up in

1798
01:19:12,810 --> 01:19:10,270
islands you have androgynous beings it's

1799
01:19:15,420 --> 01:19:12,820
utterly fascinating that these

1800
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:15,430
androgynous created gods show up all

1801
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:16,330
around the planet

1802
01:19:19,620 --> 01:19:17,110
after this cat

1803
01:19:22,129 --> 01:19:19,630
ISM survivors from Atlantis you know

1804
01:19:25,260 --> 01:19:22,139
maybe Casey would say that restart

1805
01:19:27,060 --> 01:19:25,270
civilization and you have androgynous

1806
01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:27,070
iconography on some of the oldest

1807
01:19:32,879 --> 01:19:29,880
statues on the planet like I in ghazzal

1808
01:19:36,510 --> 01:19:32,889
Jericho and even possibly at gobekli

1809
01:19:38,250 --> 01:19:36,520
tepe a statue gobekli tepe is the 13

1810
01:19:41,340 --> 01:19:38,260
thousand year old temple site in Turkey

1811
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,350
that was found several years back that's

1812
01:19:46,590 --> 01:19:43,600
utterly astonishing the oldest temple

1813
01:19:49,260 --> 01:19:46,600
site on the planet some would say the

1814
01:19:51,510 --> 01:19:49,270
the newest phase of civilization that

1815
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,520
could jump started after the flood has

1816
01:19:55,709 --> 01:19:53,199
iconography that represents the

1817
01:19:59,879 --> 01:19:55,719
androgyny and polydactyl ISM is

1818
01:20:02,550 --> 01:19:59,889
represented at ing Sol 8200 BC in Jordan

1819
01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:02,560
and at the Jericho statues the most

1820
01:20:07,919 --> 01:20:05,369
ancient statues on the planet show

1821
01:20:11,070 --> 01:20:07,929
polydactyl ism six fingers and six toes

1822
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:11,080
famously associated with giants in the

1823
01:20:17,010 --> 01:20:13,840
bible samuel 21 20 and the giant of Gath

1824
01:20:19,109 --> 01:20:17,020
and ant drogyny so edgar cayce this guy

1825
01:20:21,330 --> 01:20:19,119
with an 8th grade education going into a

1826
01:20:23,820 --> 01:20:21,340
trance-like state is portraying this

1827
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:23,830
most fascinating story that is supported

1828
01:20:28,620 --> 01:20:26,650
by all these other sources by the secret

1829
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:28,630
societies who hold this information

1830
01:20:34,919 --> 01:20:31,570
close to them and don't have erroneous

1831
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:34,929
stuff in the end their teachings and you

1832
01:20:38,490 --> 01:20:37,690
know by statues and iconography all

1833
01:20:41,370 --> 01:20:38,500
around the planet

1834
01:20:43,379 --> 01:20:41,380
and and to me it is beyond fascinating

1835
01:20:46,169 --> 01:20:43,389
like if you were to hook somebody up you

1836
01:20:48,060 --> 01:20:46,179
know to a lie detector and make them

1837
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:48,070
watch like 10 hours of all this

1838
01:20:51,959 --> 01:20:50,170
information I would think they'd end up

1839
01:20:55,979 --> 01:20:51,969
saying there is a story here and it is

1840
01:21:00,030 --> 01:20:55,989
beyond coincidence I should also point

1841
01:21:02,250 --> 01:21:00,040
out that androgyny and chachani oh I

1842
01:21:06,030 --> 01:21:02,260
enter our attention but polydactyl ISM

1843
01:21:09,959 --> 01:21:06,040
was also observed in a number of giants

1844
01:21:12,209 --> 01:21:09,969
uncovered in North America as well that

1845
01:21:15,330 --> 01:21:12,219
that's one of the traits associated with

1846
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:15,340
with giants is polydactyl ISM and hey

1847
01:21:20,370 --> 01:21:18,850
yes they do explain that about 99% of

1848
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:20,380
the people that here that have no idea

1849
01:21:25,140 --> 01:21:21,840
what it means

1850
01:21:28,470 --> 01:21:25,150
male dak dualism oh I'm sorry it's six

1851
01:21:30,660 --> 01:21:28,480
fingers in six toes extra digits is

1852
01:21:35,100 --> 01:21:30,670
called as polydactyl ism

1853
01:21:38,549 --> 01:21:35,110
and there is rock art petroglyphs art

1854
01:21:41,399 --> 01:21:38,559
and iconography all around the world

1855
01:21:45,209 --> 01:21:41,409
including Pacific isolated islands with

1856
01:21:46,740 --> 01:21:45,219
huge handprints and footprints with six

1857
01:21:48,270 --> 01:21:46,750
fingers at six toes it's utterly

1858
01:21:50,970 --> 01:21:48,280
fascinating it's everywhere it's all of

1859
01:21:54,750 --> 01:21:50,980
the Americas - not just in the southwest

1860
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:54,760
in Utah in those states so and the

1861
01:21:58,830 --> 01:21:56,770
natives have this legend of these people

1862
01:22:01,830 --> 01:21:58,840
that showed up from a lost world with

1863
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:01,840
six fingers six toes and it's it's

1864
01:22:06,930 --> 01:22:04,000
beyond coincidence this isn't just

1865
01:22:09,839 --> 01:22:06,940
unicorns and rainbows this is like rock

1866
01:22:14,419 --> 01:22:09,849
art and and traditions and iconography

1867
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:14,429
it's really quite a fascinating thing

1868
01:22:22,260 --> 01:22:19,690
Greg now you you did a lot of your

1869
01:22:25,799 --> 01:22:22,270
diving expeditions in the Caribbean

1870
01:22:27,839 --> 01:22:25,809
based on some of the readings that Edgar

1871
01:22:30,620 --> 01:22:27,849
Cayce gave right correct all that yeah

1872
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:30,630
that's really that's that's that's true

1873
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:34,090
really we started it because I wanted to

1874
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:38,110
do something kind of exciting and it

1875
01:22:43,049 --> 01:22:41,050
truly was we were at the point to where

1876
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:43,059
I could pretty much do anything I wanted

1877
01:22:46,799 --> 01:22:45,010
to do and we had the resources to go

1878
01:22:49,979 --> 01:22:46,809
anywhere and do whatever willing to do

1879
01:22:52,890 --> 01:22:49,989
and it was quite accidental at that time

1880
01:22:55,290 --> 01:22:52,900
I'd already written about Casey and the

1881
01:22:58,439 --> 01:22:55,300
mound builders that book had come out

1882
01:23:01,649 --> 01:22:58,449
and we had done some other work with the

1883
01:23:03,359 --> 01:23:01,659
Casey organization and Laura and I

1884
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:03,369
started that really as a favor to the

1885
01:23:08,430 --> 01:23:05,170
organization at a time they needed some

1886
01:23:12,419 --> 01:23:08,440
help we started editing a newsletter on

1887
01:23:15,569 --> 01:23:12,429
ancient mysteries and in the course of

1888
01:23:18,209 --> 01:23:15,579
doing this I was involved with helping

1889
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:18,219
set up the annual ancient mysteries

1890
01:23:23,370 --> 01:23:21,489
conference and in Virginia Beach which

1891
01:23:25,169 --> 01:23:23,380
generally has about 400 people that

1892
01:23:27,689 --> 01:23:25,179
comes into it and it's their premiere

1893
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:27,699
conference every year so I started

1894
01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:29,770
helping set up who was going to come and

1895
01:23:33,299 --> 01:23:31,630
speak and what the topic was going to be

1896
01:23:35,399 --> 01:23:33,309
and up to that time it was all about

1897
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:35,409
Egypt it was their annual Egypt

1898
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:37,510
conference and so we had this newsletter

1899
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:40,449
called ancient mysteries and I said

1900
01:23:43,620 --> 01:23:41,650
we're going to change in the name of

1901
01:23:44,250 --> 01:23:43,630
this - ancient mysteries of this Egypt

1902
01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:44,260
conference

1903
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,420
well you can talk about anything so

1904
01:23:51,090 --> 01:23:49,360
basically they agreed and one of the

1905
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:51,100
first people that I brought in was this

1906
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:53,370
guy from England named Andrew Collins

1907
01:23:58,680 --> 01:23:56,050
Andrew Kane I had read a couple of books

1908
01:24:01,470 --> 01:23:58,690
by Andrew one of which I still think is

1909
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:01,480
probably the best book ever written in

1910
01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:03,610
any alternative field and it's called

1911
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:06,700
from the ashes of angels but Andrew had

1912
01:24:11,729 --> 01:24:10,000
written a book on atlantis and so I got

1913
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:11,739
him invited to the talk and we

1914
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:14,260
immediately became friends and in the

1915
01:24:18,570 --> 01:24:15,850
middle of one of his talks he showed a

1916
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:18,580
picture of an object in the Caribbean

1917
01:24:24,300 --> 01:24:20,890
near Andros Island which is the largest

1918
01:24:27,810 --> 01:24:24,310
of the Bahama Islands and it was widely

1919
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:27,820
touted since 1968 when it was first

1920
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:30,730
found as a triple ring of standing

1921
01:24:36,180 --> 01:24:33,130
stones that's what everybody said it was

1922
01:24:37,979 --> 01:24:36,190
and Edgar Evans Casey who was alive then

1923
01:24:40,350 --> 01:24:37,989
even talked about it quite a bit and he

1924
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:40,360
was excited about it when we told him

1925
01:24:44,130 --> 01:24:42,010
we're going to go and find this thing

1926
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:44,140
but we talked to archaeologists that

1927
01:24:48,540 --> 01:24:45,850
said we've tried to find it we flew all

1928
01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:48,550
over couldn't find it the first thing my

1929
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:51,940
wife and I did was go to Florida and

1930
01:24:58,920 --> 01:24:54,970
talked to the pilot who actually took

1931
01:25:02,220 --> 01:24:58,930
the photo of it what a concept no one

1932
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:02,230
had ever I mean they has one group spent

1933
01:25:06,690 --> 01:25:04,810
thirty thousand dollars doing an aerial

1934
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:06,700
survey up and down Andros Island

1935
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:08,290
thinking that we're going to find this

1936
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:12,250
this formation and I found this guy

1937
01:25:17,370 --> 01:25:15,130
pretty easily he lived in Miami he was

1938
01:25:19,860 --> 01:25:17,380
very happy for us to come and talk to

1939
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:19,870
him and I and I said everybody's tried

1940
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:21,370
to find this and he said well I didn't

1941
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:23,050
know that he said nobody's ever asked me

1942
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:24,489
I mean I said do you know where idiot

1943
01:25:27,570 --> 01:25:26,530
where it was and he said well sure and

1944
01:25:30,540 --> 01:25:27,580
he said just a minute

1945
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:30,550
so he walks out and he has a his pilots

1946
01:25:36,660 --> 01:25:33,850
map of that area and I'm a private pilot

1947
01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:36,670
license private pilot and he took that

1948
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:38,620
pilots map and he laid it down and he

1949
01:25:47,670 --> 01:25:43,690
said it's right here so my wife and I

1950
01:25:51,229 --> 01:25:47,680
charted a a high wing two engine very

1951
01:25:53,729 --> 01:25:51,239
slow it's called a Norman Islander plane

1952
01:25:55,650 --> 01:25:53,739
one of the reasons that no one has had

1953
01:25:57,810 --> 01:25:55,660
flown down in that area in their surveys

1954
01:26:00,360 --> 01:25:57,820
is because it's in Cuban airspace

1955
01:26:02,970 --> 01:26:00,370
it's in the it's in the Havana adz part

1956
01:26:04,740 --> 01:26:02,980
of Andros Island the southern part is in

1957
01:26:08,430 --> 01:26:04,750
Cuban airspace and they had actually

1958
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:08,440
shot down American Flyers down there and

1959
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:10,810
the seven in the early 70s it was still

1960
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,930
very hostile so this guy the guy I got

1961
01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:15,760
the Charter the plane from was excited

1962
01:26:19,710 --> 01:26:17,710
he said heck yeah do they said we'll fly

1963
01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:19,720
at 500 feet we'll just fly under the

1964
01:26:24,990 --> 01:26:23,380
radar so we did we flew down we found a

1965
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:25,000
whole bunch of formations that were

1966
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:26,800
famous that no one had ever been able to

1967
01:26:32,190 --> 01:26:29,890
find we took the GPS from the air and we

1968
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:32,200
found this triple ring of stones it

1969
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:33,850
looked just like standing stones so

1970
01:26:38,430 --> 01:26:36,010
that's how we started in all this then

1971
01:26:40,140 --> 01:26:38,440
we my wife and I got a it was very

1972
01:26:42,690 --> 01:26:40,150
difficult to find somebody to get us

1973
01:26:48,090 --> 01:26:42,700
over there we went to the other side we

1974
01:26:50,730 --> 01:26:48,100
got to that circle and it clearly is a

1975
01:26:52,860 --> 01:26:50,740
circle and when you get up to it and low

1976
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:52,870
tide they look like standing stones

1977
01:26:58,920 --> 01:26:55,210
until you walk up to them and they were

1978
01:27:00,450 --> 01:26:58,930
all giant sponges I know it sounds

1979
01:27:03,690 --> 01:27:00,460
bizarre but I mean it's the way these

1980
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:03,700
things are it's like a 250-foot perfect

1981
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:06,310
white circle outlined with these black

1982
01:27:12,570 --> 01:27:09,550
sponges and it had several rings in some

1983
01:27:18,090 --> 01:27:12,580
places then while we were there I found

1984
01:27:20,340 --> 01:27:18,100
the explanation in a marine biology

1985
01:27:23,790 --> 01:27:20,350
textbook that I had borrowed on the

1986
01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:23,800
island and I thought that was it we had

1987
01:27:28,140 --> 01:27:25,660
also looked at a thing called Ribicoff

1988
01:27:30,630 --> 01:27:28,150
sea and underwater formation and all the

1989
01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:30,640
old books about Atlantis and we found it

1990
01:27:37,950 --> 01:27:35,830
was a it was a an unusual coral reef is

1991
01:27:40,350 --> 01:27:37,960
all it was it's an e shape to formation

1992
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:40,360
like the cursive letter e underwater but

1993
01:27:44,130 --> 01:27:41,770
nobody had ever been able to find it but

1994
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:44,140
we did so I thought we were done and

1995
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:46,330
then some guy came during a thunderstorm

1996
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:48,850
he thought we were treasure hunters when

1997
01:27:53,610 --> 01:27:50,560
he found out we weren't he told us about

1998
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:53,620
a formation that looked a lot like the

1999
01:27:59,280 --> 01:27:55,330
Bimini Road and that really got us

2000
01:28:02,430 --> 01:27:59,290
started it was pretty astonishing it got

2001
01:28:07,260 --> 01:28:02,440
a lot of attention from geologists were

2002
01:28:09,780 --> 01:28:07,270
very interested in it and the air he was

2003
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:09,790
really interested that got us then to

2004
01:28:13,740 --> 01:28:11,530
look at the Bimini Road to

2005
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:13,750
parrot one of the things I'll say we've

2006
01:28:21,470 --> 01:28:17,410
uncovered so much nonsense that went on

2007
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:21,480
in the 60s and 70s such as the US

2008
01:28:27,140 --> 01:28:24,850
Geological Survey had one of their

2009
01:28:31,140 --> 01:28:27,150
employees and they all knew about this

2010
01:28:35,190 --> 01:28:31,150
fabricate fake artifacts including

2011
01:28:37,500 --> 01:28:35,200
statues take them to Bimini and plant

2012
01:28:39,630 --> 01:28:37,510
them around the Bimini Road in the hopes

2013
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:39,640
that one of the Atlantis researchers

2014
01:28:43,770 --> 01:28:42,010
from the Cayce organization would find

2015
01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:43,780
them and publicize them and then they

2016
01:28:49,050 --> 01:28:46,060
were going to make fun of them and say

2017
01:28:52,050 --> 01:28:49,060
oh it's a hoax now that's it

2018
01:28:54,510 --> 01:28:52,060
Eugene Shean who's now retired did it I

2019
01:28:56,220 --> 01:28:54,520
have no fear whatsoever being sued

2020
01:28:58,530 --> 01:28:56,230
because he did it and he's actually on

2021
01:29:00,600 --> 01:28:58,540
film admitting it and some of the people

2022
01:29:02,430 --> 01:29:00,610
that thought it was very humorous when

2023
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:02,440
they knew about it are on the same film

2024
01:29:08,220 --> 01:29:05,650
talking about it so loads and loads of

2025
01:29:11,610 --> 01:29:08,230
things like that archaeologist flat-out

2026
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:11,620
lied in some of their reports about the

2027
01:29:16,710 --> 01:29:13,930
Bimini Road I don't think the Bimini

2028
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:16,720
Road was Atlantis we never said it was

2029
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:19,450
nor was the structure in Andros there's

2030
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:21,610
an unknown maritime culture that was

2031
01:29:27,540 --> 01:29:23,890
operating around three to four thousand

2032
01:29:30,530 --> 01:29:27,550
BC in the Bahamas and there are at least

2033
01:29:33,450 --> 01:29:30,540
four places where these identical

2034
01:29:35,460 --> 01:29:33,460
breakwater formations are found but

2035
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:35,470
again they they probably go to three to

2036
01:29:39,540 --> 01:29:37,840
four thousand BC there may have been

2037
01:29:42,210 --> 01:29:39,550
something well before then but that's

2038
01:29:44,490 --> 01:29:42,220
what we did my wife and I spent 25 weeks

2039
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:44,500
on boats exploring we bought our own

2040
01:29:50,250 --> 01:29:48,130
boat put side-scan sonar on it and

2041
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:50,260
really spent a lot of time and it was

2042
01:29:55,170 --> 01:29:52,810
fun we found 31 crashed planes while we

2043
01:29:57,570 --> 01:29:55,180
were there including three that had

2044
01:30:00,810 --> 01:29:57,580
crashed and disappeared into the Bermuda

2045
01:30:03,660 --> 01:30:00,820
Triangle hmm that's kind of a summary of

2046
01:30:05,940 --> 01:30:03,670
all of it well I mean just just the idea

2047
01:30:09,870 --> 01:30:05,950
though that there was a marine time

2048
01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:09,880
culture acting in that area and I take

2049
01:30:14,730 --> 01:30:11,950
it that you know 3,000 years ago the

2050
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:14,740
water levels were lower than they are

2051
01:30:19,740 --> 01:30:17,110
now it was lower we're actually talking

2052
01:30:22,290 --> 01:30:19,750
a 3000 BC we're talking about 5,000

2053
01:30:25,050 --> 01:30:22,300
years 5,000 okay and the water level

2054
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:25,060
then was about 45 feet lower

2055
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:27,310
three thousand of five thousand years

2056
01:30:33,210 --> 01:30:30,490
ago it was about 45 feet lower or so

2057
01:30:37,020 --> 01:30:33,220
than it is today we all we found we

2058
01:30:39,030 --> 01:30:37,030
found the remains of a temple 30 miles

2059
01:30:43,530 --> 01:30:39,040
south of Bimini which the Bahamas

2060
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:43,540
government knows about the guy who is

2061
01:30:52,110 --> 01:30:47,650
over Microsoft's archaeology funding

2062
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:52,120
program sent a contacted us and sent

2063
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:54,730
someone down to look at it to see if

2064
01:31:00,720 --> 01:30:57,760
they could restore it this is all this

2065
01:31:02,820 --> 01:31:00,730
is all true but we we have been told

2066
01:31:06,300 --> 01:31:02,830
we're not allowed to show anybody where

2067
01:31:08,580 --> 01:31:06,310
it is we follow the Bohemians laws and

2068
01:31:11,580 --> 01:31:08,590
we follow their instructions and so we

2069
01:31:14,460 --> 01:31:11,590
my wife talks about it and shall we show

2070
01:31:16,380 --> 01:31:14,470
film of it sometimes in pictures but

2071
01:31:19,050 --> 01:31:16,390
it's a real temple it's the it's a

2072
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:19,060
collapsed temple 30 miles south of

2073
01:31:24,450 --> 01:31:22,090
Bimini by an island and it was a high

2074
01:31:26,970 --> 01:31:24,460
spot at one time so there's lots of

2075
01:31:28,980 --> 01:31:26,980
stuff there but archaeologists won't go

2076
01:31:30,810 --> 01:31:28,990
even the archaeologists that look at it

2077
01:31:33,660 --> 01:31:30,820
say yeah you're right but I can't go I

2078
01:31:35,730 --> 01:31:33,670
can't be associated with this all right

2079
01:31:37,710 --> 01:31:35,740
gentlemen I'm gonna have to we're

2080
01:31:39,420 --> 01:31:37,720
drawing unfortunately to a close to our

2081
01:31:41,550 --> 01:31:39,430
program so I want to give you both the

2082
01:31:43,380 --> 01:31:41,560
opportunity to let all listeners know

2083
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:43,390
where they can find out more about you

2084
01:31:46,710 --> 01:31:46,210
online so dr. little let's go with you

2085
01:31:50,460 --> 01:31:46,720
first

2086
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:50,470
well I'm on Facebook Gregory L little

2087
01:31:58,170 --> 01:31:54,490
Gregory L little and ap Magazine dot

2088
01:32:00,750 --> 01:31:58,180
info ap magazine dot info that's where I

2089
01:32:02,850 --> 01:32:00,760
still will write an article about once a

2090
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:02,860
month or so that's that's it

2091
01:32:06,270 --> 01:32:04,570
professionally I have lots of other

2092
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:06,280
websites but unless you're a criminal

2093
01:32:10,770 --> 01:32:09,370
you're probably not interested and the

2094
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:10,780
title of your new book coming out in

2095
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:11,890
September

2096
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:15,130
that's called Denise 'van origins

2097
01:32:20,730 --> 01:32:18,250
Denise 'van origins all right now look

2098
01:32:21,210 --> 01:32:20,740
forward to that and okay so Jim what

2099
01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:21,220
about you

2100
01:32:27,900 --> 01:32:25,900
a megalith amania dot uk' is huge site

2101
01:32:31,410 --> 01:32:27,910
but I'm associated with you and I'm on

2102
01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:31,420
Facebook if anybody wants to say I yeah

2103
01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:33,780
I have a giant's own record page on

2104
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:37,270
Facebook for my book and what's the

2105
01:32:38,940 --> 01:32:38,410
title of your book and working people

2106
01:32:43,890 --> 01:32:38,950
find it

2107
01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:43,900
Giants on record amazon.com and what

2108
01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:47,350
about any any new programs for the

2109
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:49,030
History Channel or any of the others in

2110
01:32:54,270 --> 01:32:51,040
the works yeah I was just on Megan Fox's

2111
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:54,280
show I am doing a mm-hmm another show on

2112
01:32:58,440 --> 01:32:56,650
travel and adventure show episode about

2113
01:33:01,800 --> 01:32:58,450
giant some film in the next month or two

2114
01:33:04,050 --> 01:33:01,810
and yeah we'll see I was talking to

2115
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:04,060
networks and producers and stuff and I

2116
01:33:07,860 --> 01:33:06,490
like to make some appearances I know if

2117
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:07,870
I'm good to my own show it's such a pain

2118
01:33:13,730 --> 01:33:09,850
in the ass but uh well you know I'm sure

2119
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:13,740
I'll keep a parent on TV like an idiot

2120
01:33:19,650 --> 01:33:17,170
Jim is an incredible researcher he's on

2121
01:33:24,330 --> 01:33:19,660
Facebook also I can say that you can

2122
01:33:26,580 --> 01:33:24,340
find his books on Amazon and is it it is

2123
01:33:30,090 --> 01:33:26,590
the most comprehensive of all the books

2124
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:30,100
about the Giants in the Americas his

2125
01:33:38,580 --> 01:33:33,370
co-author Hugh Newman runs megalith

2126
01:33:40,650 --> 01:33:38,590
amania and megalith the mania.com is a

2127
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:40,660
website that also has a lot of Jim's

2128
01:33:46,740 --> 01:33:42,970
information on and he's a great guy he

2129
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:46,750
was treated very very poorly when he did

2130
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:49,210
that every day posting on Facebook in

2131
01:33:54,690 --> 01:33:51,370
fact that is how I found out about Jim

2132
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:54,700
Vieira and I just was I thought it was

2133
01:33:59,100 --> 01:33:57,010
amazing when he did that every day he'd

2134
01:34:00,930 --> 01:33:59,110
post a different one and I was saying is

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this ever gonna end when's he gonna run

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out and he never did he finally he was

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finally criticized so much by

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archaeologists I mean they were vicious

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vicious attacks on him so but he's

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talking about in drogyny and maybe

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that's why he's still here on

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Valentine's night well and so his

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programs on the History Channel was

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search for the lost Giants and then

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roanoke search for the Lost Colony and

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returned to Roanoke so I'm gonna have to

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sign us off here so dr. little Jim thank

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you very much for being with us tonight

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on exploring the bizarre we learned a

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lot and Tim Beckley if you're out there

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join us

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bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky and team

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search of the truly bizarre and totally

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unexplained with you as their combined

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